Traducerea - Was mein Gott will (What my God wants) (Engleză)

Pfff... I find these texts really complicated and think you've done a brilliant job here! (Even if you pinched this one just before I was going to do it!) Remarks I have:

- 'wie auch andere' = 'like others', 'like other people do'. 'Amongst others' sounds a bit like 'amongst other things' to me (but I may be wrong).

- "... formal aspects of sonata theory, as it explicitly occurs...": I would say 'like it occurs explicitly'. I don't think the German text has anything like 'because', which is the way in which I interpret 'as' here.

- "...proof of the chorale "Was mein Gott will" from of the" ->? Should be something like "...proof of the chorale "Was mein Gott will" from the first movement and from the first line in each movement, respectively(bzw), ..."

- "In fact, the first movement can only be seen or: regarded, with some difficulty,
as having a sonata theme in the narrow(er) sense."

- "In this way both the first movement and finale oppose each other." -> 'both' doesn't belong here.

- bzw = respectively

- "Also, in organ sonatas" -> "in the organ sonatas too" (the comma shouldn't be here)

- ff-Zitat: ff passage, not indication

- fortführen = to continue, not to resume.

Thank you for your input. I have made the corrections, except for one which I don't think needs to be changed.

'Amongst others' is a bit ambiguous and could have either meaning, but I changed it to something with a clearer meaning.

I don't think "as it explicitly occurs" should be changed. I find it difficult to interpret "as" as "because" here. It doesn't make much sense with that meaning.

OK, you're the native speaker!

"ff-zitat' should be tranlated as ff-citation.
It does not concern a passage here...

I originally translated "ff-Zitat" as "ff indication", which refers to the instruction to play loudly .

"ff passage" refers to the section of music where this instruction is to be followed.

"ff-citation" is a more literal translation, but it does not exist in English musical terminology.

I think "indication" fits better, but "passage" also makes sense.

I'm an active (Dutch) musician and here our international conductors DO speak of citations...

I am also a musician, though not professional.
And yes, there are citations, but not "ff citations". Citations are elements of music borrowed from another musical work. It would be silly to cite an ff symbol. However, "citation" could work if it was worded this way: "the citation of the ff passage" or "the cited ff passage"

Strictly spoken, you are right.
Although the German text does actually say ´ff-Zitat´ (or ´ff-citation') which doesn't appear to be the best of German language either, grammarwise.
And it's not uncommon to just say ff-citation.

Probably the writer means a cited passage, but that is not really obvious from this piece of text, since this is merely a very small piece of quite an article.

I think is might be wise to use one of the two last named options.

Alright then, I think "the citation of the ff passage" would be the best one. But the translation has already been accepted and I can't edit it anymore. I will call an administrator to change it.

This one is for you Lilian.

CC: lilian canale

Done!
Just check if the edition is correct since my musical knowledge is (almost) 0.

Yes, it's correct. Thank you.

Shaneea,

Sorry, I see two more and last improvements.
One is just a typo: 'virtusoso'.
I think you mean to write virtuoso.

Secondly, 'Auseinandersetzung' is not an examination, but an explanation.
Would you agree?



After these, I'll definately shut up about this one...

Yes I did mean to write 'virtuoso'.

However, I do not agree that 'Auseinandersetzung' is an explanation. Though if you really think that 'examination' is wrong, then i would suggest 'confrontation' instead.

I do not mean 'confrontation' either. How does he want to confront, and with what?

'Auseinandersetzung' means - how shall I put it - to clarify, to account for.
(http://www.dict.cc/?s=auseinandersetzen)

What I meant by confrontation is that within the sonata, the traditional chorales are at a confrontation with the formal aspects of sonata theory.
However, I just found a very helpful website: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?o=3021;service=deen;iservice=de-en-ex;query=auseinandersetzung
After reading some of the examples, I feel that the best translation would be "as a study of the traditional chorale set against formal aspects of sonata theory"

Hi Shaneeae,

I agree with your latest proposal. This one does match the original the most.
I assume you will take care of the adjustment of the translation.

Btw., very interesting and helpful site that I didn't know of, yet. Thanks for the tip. I'll add it to my list for future use.

Hi guys, could you please check if the edition I've made is correct?

I feel there are so many "as" in the sentence.

Reading it through, I agree there is a lot of "as".
Perhaps the first sentence can be changed to:
..., amongst others, the first sonata in a study of the traditional chorale set against formal aspects of sonata theory, as it (... etc.)

The 8th line from the top:
* which are regarded as transitions ...
might be changed into:
* ... are regarded to be transitions ...

What do you think?

I few words are missing, and I just noticed that I had typed "an study" instead of "a study".

The first sentence should read like this:
(155) Gerd Zacher analyses, as do others, the first sonata as a study of...