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| 11 Юли 2008 17:48 |
| Hi C.K,
Is that "wishes" or "needs"?
in any case I'd use genitive case here.
"...the pupils/students' wishes". |
| 12 Юли 2008 16:26 |
| Hi CK, Hi Lilly
I would also say that "policy" would be a better choice of word than "politics".
Hope this helps
Bises
Tantine |
| 13 Юли 2008 01:17 |
| 'Policy' does definitely NOT cover the word 'politiek'. Especially because in the original text is written 'DE politiek'.
Policy is more like management statement. In this case 'de politiek' means the group of politicians, the government.
Also 'fulfil' is not a good translation of 'tegemoetkomen aan'. The latter should be translated as: TO MEET.
Therefore:
Politicians should meet the pupils' wishes.
(I do agree upon the use of genitive).
Jollyo
CC: lilian canale |
| 13 Юли 2008 01:28 |
| C.K,
Do you agree with jollyo's remarks? |
| 14 Юли 2008 18:16 |
| Ik zou het eerder zo formuleren :
Politics should give in to the wishes of the students. |
| 14 Юли 2008 21:02 |
LeinОбщо мнения: 3389 | I agree in part with Jollyo...
'tegemoet komen aan' does not mean to do whatever they want - it is rather to listen to and do something with what they want. As it is late and my brain has just melted I can't think of an English expression to convey the meaning... |
| 14 Юли 2008 20:54 |
| Hi lein, but is that "policy" or "the politicians"?
For the expression, I think it could be: "xxxx should take into consideration the students' needs/wishes" |
| 14 Юли 2008 21:02 |
LeinОбщо мнения: 3389 | I think it should be politics as now. I agree it doesn't sound very well in English but it comes closest. It is closer to politicians than policy though.
THAT'S IT! Take into consideration is what I was looking for! |
| 14 Юли 2008 21:17 |
| 'to take into consideration' -> 'in beschouwing nemen' which is looking into the matter without any engagement (vrijblijvendheid).
In this sentence a request is made (maybe even a demand: 'moet' = 'should' or sometimes 'must'), so there is room for lack of engagement.
Jollyo CC: lilian canale |
| 14 Юли 2008 21:20 |
| Let's make this clear:
politics ---> a science
politicians ---> the people into politics (government)
policy---> standard practice (rules/method within an institution)
So, what will it be? |
| 14 Юли 2008 21:26 |
| 'Politicians', because it is the group of people into politics that is referred to in this case.
Jollyo |
| 14 Юли 2008 22:14 |
| deze vertaling is niet juist |
| 14 Юли 2008 22:18 |
| fulfil betekend het vervullen van wensen.tegemoetkomen betekend meer concede to, make concessions to |
| 15 Юли 2008 00:00 |
| Ihsa,
'to make concessions' is zeker NIET de juiste vertaling. Het gaat niet om het doen van concessies ofwel het toegeven... (i.e. not the same)
ook 'to concede' ofwel het inwilligen van eisen is niet hetzelfde als het gevraagde 'tegemoetkomen aan' (i.e. not the same)
Ik blijf erbij: TO MEET!
Jollyo
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| 15 Юли 2008 00:04 |
| Hey guys!
If you keep discussing the correction in Dutch I won't be able to understand. Please post in the target language, the one we have to judge. |
| 15 Юли 2008 00:16 |
| Sorry Lilian,
A small summary:
Ihsa's proposal:
to translate 'tegemoetkomen aan' into 'to concede' or 'to make concessions'
In my opinion both translations are NOT correct.
I'll try to explain, which in this case is not all that easy.
* to concede: giving in to someone's wishes/ demands
* to make consessions: to make a compromise
* tegemoetkomen aan: making steps in the direction of the other party
-> hence: to meet (in my opinion)
Jollyo
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| 15 Юли 2008 00:37 |
| jollyo,
in short:
1- to fulfill---> to satisfy the needs/wishes
you say that it's not the case here because it's not a matter of concesion or privilege.
2- to take into consideration ----> bear in mind
if we use "must" before that? Would the meaning be close?
3- to meet----> satisfy a condition or restriction
Do you mean that the students "demand" something that the politicians (?) should satisfy?
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| 15 Юли 2008 09:28 |
| pupils should be students, in my opinion |
| 15 Юли 2008 11:27 |
LeinОбщо мнения: 3389 | The students have wishes. The politicians should not only listen to these wishes but try to do something with them, even if only partially.
I think 'politics' refers to more than the science. When people discuss politics, they talk about what is happening in their country's politics and that is the way in which it is used here... However 'politicians' would convey the meaning too I think. |
| 16 Юли 2008 01:25 |
| it might be students or pupils. The context does not make this clear. However, students are usually somewhat older, aren't they? In Dutch (scholieren) are the younger category of people.
and, yes, the students "demand" something that the politicians should satisfy.
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