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Tłumaczenie - Don't think that my love is an abandoned orphan ... (Angielski)

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29 Lipiec 2008 18:52  

lilian canale
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That first line sounds weird.

What do you mean exactly?
 

29 Lipiec 2008 19:04  

handyy
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I know it is weird, but it figuratively says so, I don't know how I can tell it in other words
 

29 Lipiec 2008 19:22  

lilian canale
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What about:
"Don't take me as an orphan of love, for I love you"
 

31 Lipiec 2008 03:33  

kafetzou
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What does it really mean, handyy? I agree with Lilian that it sounds strange - maybe it didn't sound strange to me in French because that's not my native language.
 

1 Sierpień 2008 23:39  

handyy
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I found it! I guess it can mean "kimsesiz/yalnız".

Then it becomes:

"Don't deem/think that my love is lonesome.."

Is this weird too? Can I use "forsaken" instead of "lonesome"??
 

2 Sierpień 2008 01:30  

kafetzou
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I think the use of "for" is confusing too. Here's my suggestion based on the info that you just gave us:

"Don't think that my love is as needy as an orphan because I love you. Even if I were dying, I would not beg; my love is my nobility."
 

2 Sierpień 2008 01:31  

kafetzou
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Actually, can we say "my love is noble"? It sounds weird in English to say "my nobility" too.
 

2 Sierpień 2008 14:08  

handyy
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-- He is not talking about "being in need" but "being all alone/being left alone".

-- He says "don't think that my love is ... as I love you", so here "for" (or "because" ) can also give the same meaning. I think "for" is not wrong there.

-- "my love is noble" seems not to be the same as "my love is my nobility/dignity" to me.
 

2 Sierpień 2008 17:39  

kafetzou
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If he's not talking about being needy, why does he mention begging? "for" has several meanings, and the use of "for" with the meaning of "because" is old fashioned. "Because" has only one meaning, and it's the normal word.

Does he mean that loving her makes his love no longer an orphan, or does he mean that loving her demonstrates that his love is not an orphan?

I really don't understand the concept of love as an orphan - we really only think of people as orphans. How can love be an orphan? It has no parents?
 

3 Sierpień 2008 00:59  

handyy
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His begging is not related with his being in need. I really don't know with what it is related, but here in the text there is nothing about "being needy".

Kafetzou, "an orphan love" is a figurative expression, so I am not sure what he exactly means with it. The only thing that I understand from it is that he protects his love so that his love won't be lonely -or something like that.

can I say it as:

"Don't think that my love is left alone because I love you"
 

3 Sierpień 2008 01:39  

kafetzou
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I still have the same question: Is it "Don't think that (my love is left alone because I love you)", or is it "Don't think that (my love is left alone), because I love you"?

In Turkish:

Aşkımın seni sevdiğim için yalnız bırakmış olduğunu sanma.

Seni sevdiğim için, aşkımın yalnız bırakmış olduğunu sanma.
 

3 Sierpień 2008 10:24  

handyy
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Seni seviyorum diye/seni sevdiğim için, aşkımın yalnız kaldığını/bir başına olduğunu sanma.

-- aşkı yalnız bırakmıyor, yalnız bırakılıyor.
 

3 Sierpień 2008 10:38  

handyy
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Btw, I couldn't understand the difference between "Don't think that (my love is left alone because I love you)" and "Don't think that (my love is left alone), because I love you".

Doesn't they have the same meaning/idea?? I'm really confused..
 

3 Sierpień 2008 20:25  

handyy
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I think "yetim" may mean here either "unprotected" or "left alone".
 

4 Sierpień 2008 06:02  

kafetzou
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"aşkı yalnız bırakmıyor, yalnız bırakılıyor" - Kim bırakıyor ki? Anlayamadım.

I'm getting more and more confused too. Maybe we need another Turkish expert and another English expert to jump in on this.

CC: lilian canale serba
 

4 Sierpień 2008 15:56  

lilian canale
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As I stated above, my understanding is that "orphan" is used here about the writer not the "love".
The writer doesn't want the recipient to consider him as an orphan (not of parents, but of love), because he loves her. Figuratively I think that's acceptable, however I would rather use the term "orphan" referring to the person as Kafetzou said.
My suggestion is still almost the same I gave above:
"Don't take me (consider me) as an orphan of love, because I love you"

Perhaps Serba has a different idea.
 

4 Sierpień 2008 18:53  

kafetzou
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Unfortunately, that's not what the writer said.

Literally, it means the following:

seni seviyorum diye = because I love you
sanma ki = don't think that
aşkım yetimdir. = my love is an orphan
ölürümde yalvarmam, = even if I die, I won't beg
aşkım asaletimdir. = my love is my nobility

I have to admit that I don't understand the meaning of this text.
 

6 Sierpień 2008 16:47  

lilian canale
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Looking at your last post Kafetzou, it crossed my mind that we may be working on a wrong syntax and that would make our understanding get a bit confused.
What about that?:

"Don't think that because I love you, my love is an orphan (since you don't love me back). Even if I die, I won't beg. My love is my nobility (what makes me noble)"
 

7 Sierpień 2008 02:13  

kafetzou
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I still don't understand this part: "my love is an orphan (since you don't love me back)" - can you explain what you meant?
 

7 Sierpień 2008 03:33  

lilian canale
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What I mean is that if we think of an "orphan" as someone (or even something) who lacks support or care or supervision, we can imagine that since she doesn't love him back, she may think that his love is an orphan (has no support or care), however he doesn't want her to think that way. I think he says that even not being loved back, his love shouldn't be considered an orphan.
Of course he's using a metaphor.
 
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