Umseting - The Sovereign (Enskt)

the laws he makes

hehe
do i detect a bit of sexism there francky?
turkish is genderless.
besides a woman being a sovereign just as easily as a man

i chose 'it' mainly because sovereign could also mean parliament and in in the source language it most likely refers to that

Hi kfeto.

what about:
..."and the laws made...?

That would end the gender issue.

thanks lilian

kfeto the end should be: are not bound

thank you lilian. you are right
well that clears up the contradiction

ps how did you know that? im curious:-)

dependent?

well bagimli is an adjective to 'the laws' for which i'd incorrectly used binding,
they mean to say that the laws are not dependent on the permission of anything else to be effictive so i felt using an adjective in english too would be ok
in meaning it is bound rather than binding like you pointed out since the laws are the object of 'to bind'.

For what you explained kfeto, I think that if I got it right, you mean that

"The Sovereign makes the laws and they are acknowledged at once."

Is that correct?

i don't know honestly, bagimli means dependent, literally bound, but the interpretation "dependent [on the permission of anything else to be effective]" is just that: my interpretation which is incomplete probably or maybe even wrong, so I'd rather leave it like this. perhaps a poll among turkish speakers could shed some light on it.

so put it to a vote already. We don't have time for this guys

yeah nine days for one sentence is slow.
i've noticed most submitters don't wait that long. they just go with the first translation before it's validated.

This doesn't make sense in English. We need more than just "dependent" - the English speaking reader asks, "Dependent on what?" Unfortunately, though, I don't have any suggestions. As for being slow, dramati, I don't think that is a reason to pass a translation that is still not comprehensible to an English-speaking reader.

CC: dramati

I think they are talking about not being dependent on anything. Another way of saying this could be "The Sovereign makes the laws and the laws made are independent." As in not dependented on anyting. Probaly it would be wrong to say that they are not dependent on anything, because the logic here would say that a Sovereign makes a law for a reason, and the reason is dependent on some subjective or objective need on the part of the soverign or state, however, a Sovereign who is not obliged to go to a governing body will make his laws and these laws are independent (i.e. not dependent on anytihing other than his will).

Do you think English speakers will understand the implied meaning there? I'm not sure - I know I didn't until I read the discussion. I even tried it out on my boyfriend, and he had no idea what it meant.

How about "not dependant on others", although I'm not sure that's any better.

Or how about "stand alone"?

All good choices Laura!

Still waiting to see what you want to do kfeto. No one likes it the way it is, so you should do something.

i dont know dramati
i thought it would be subjected to a poll?
and go from the suggestions made

Actually, kfeto, we usually don't conduct a poll until we deem the English to be correct, and even then we only need to do that if we don't understand the source language, but since I understand Turkish, it's not necessary in this case.

ok.
then, i dont know.
You should edit as you think is best?