Umseting - He's gone, the moment when he left is gone, I didn't lose him, he lost me. (Enskt)

Hi Russell

I think you mistake the meaning of "seconde" here in the French version. It is understood as meaning "moment", "instant" and is not meant as the second (ordinal - ie "first", "second", "third"

In French, this noun takes the feminine gender, so any adjective attached to it will be expressed in it's feminine form. This does not give us the slightest indication, however on the gender of the person or the 'thing' that has gone!!

Oi Diego

I will edit to put one choice in the translation box and will leave a message in the contents box giving the alternative.

Then I will reset the poll, and if all is well, I will then vlaidate

Bises
Tantine

Hi Tantine,

Thanks for your message

Oh, I agree - I thought that "la seconde" is understood as "moment" or "instant", not the ordinal. I just thought that because the French translation said

"la seconde est finie, est partie"

and not

"la seconde est finie, est parti(e)"

then "est partie" refers to "la seconde". I think that the English translation should then be

"He(she)'s gone away, the moment has ended, it's [it = the moment] gone away, I didn't lose him(her), He(she)'s lost me"

instead of

"He(she)'s gone away, the moment has ended, he(she)'s gone away, I didn't lose him(her), He(she)'s lost me."

...

It's a bit poetic, but that's just my opinion.

Phew. I hope that makes sense. It's tough using language to talk about language ... but then again, I guess all of us here know that

I hope everyone's having a wonderful day.

OK All,

I've edited and left an alternative in the comments box.

I have reset a poll so as to be sure now.

Bises
Tantine

it'ts just a detail but "the moment she/he left has ended" it says literally

I agree with Kfeto.

"gittiÄŸi saniye bitmiÅŸtir" doesn't refer to the moment itself, it refers to the person who leaves, This is not a correct translation. the literal translation is as follows, "gone" refers to a "person"

THE GONE HAS GONE, HE HAS FINISHED/ENDED THE MOMENT HE HAS GONE, IT'S NOT ME WHO LOSE THE GONE, THE GONE HAS LOST ME

smy i respectfully disagree

"gittiÄŸi saniye bitmiÅŸtir"
'saniye' is subject to the verb 'bitmistir'
as in 'the second has ended'

'gittigi' is an adjective to 'saniye' which in english is translated as a relative clause 'the second, THAT SHE/HE LEFT, has ended'

Hi kfeto

The problem is, "the moment she/he left has ended" doesn't convey much too me in English. I'm not looking for a literal translation, I'm trying to find how we can phrase this so as it reads correctly and "feels right" in English.

As it was, it was much too clumsy, and "felt" translated.

fair enough, tantine, just an observation anywayz

bises :-)

I think you're right about "gittiÄŸi saniye bitmiÅŸtir" kfeto , but still the stresses are not in correct places

Humm, je ne lis pas encore le turc. Mais si l'on considere que la traduction anglaise 'He's left, the moment has ended, it's over, I didn't lose him, he lost me.' est correcte, d'ailleurs elle sonne bien, alors il faudrait revoir la version francaise proposée et simplement changer 'la seconde est finie, est partie' par 'le temps s'est écoulé, il/elle est partie'. Et la version espagnole serait plus jolie en remplaçant 'SE HA TERMINADO EL SEGUNDO' par 'se acabo el tiempo'.
Avec tout ça, on s'eloigne peut etre de la version originale.

Io scriverebbe cosí: "Lui ha lasciato, il momento ha finito. É finito. Non l´ho perso. Lui mi ha perso"

"the moment has ended, it is over" doesn't seem correct..)and it doesn't give the same meaning with the original one.. )

Hi all

Smy - I'm sorry but your literal translation does not convey the slightest meaning in English.

I will ask Kafetzou to come and help out here, she has more ease with Turkish than I do

I feel like I'm going round and round in circles with this one


CC: kafetzou

maybe:

The one who left, has left, the second she/he left, has passed. I did not lose /her/him, rather she/he lost me.

I think it's supposed to be poetic:

He's gone.
The moment he left is over.
I didn't lose him - he lost me.

(could also be she)

I'd prefer to keep 'he's gone...' .
Tantine, why do you prefer 'he's left...'?

That's my opinion: ''he/she is gone, the second it's over, he/she is gone. I don't lose who is gone, but who is gone... have lost me...''

he's left, the second is finished, left, I did not lose him, it is him which lost me.

Hi All

Kafetzou - thanks, now it makes more sense

Diego - I didn't prefer left to gone, I was just trying to find a wording that didn't feel clumsy in English.

If no-one minds I will edit as per Kafetzou's suggestions and then validate.