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| | 15 Tháng 1 2008 21:38 |
| | Sūrata’l-Baqarah (سورة البقرة "the Cow" ![](../images/emo/wink.png) is the second, and the longest, sura (chapter) of the Qur'an, with 286 ayat
The normal translation is as follows:
154 And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.
155 And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives and crops; but give glad tidings to the steadfast,
156 Who say, when a misfortune striketh them: Lo! we are Allah's and lo! unto Him we are returning.
157 Such are they on whom are blessings from their Lord, and mercy. Such are the rightly guided.
So I found a difference between the traditional translation in the approved English language prayer books and your translation. Can you explain before we put it to a vote? |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 16:23 |
| | I think I had better get an oppinion from the administrators on this one since your translation is not the same as the accepted English translation of the same verses. |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 17:01 |
| | So admin.s what do you think? Shall we O.K. this alternative translation which was done in her University, or make her stick to the Book text? |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 18:42 |
| ![](../avatars/68736.img) smyTổng số bài gửi: 2481 | I think we should stick to the Book text ![](../images/emo/check.gif) |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 18:53 |
| ![](../avatars/68736.img) smyTổng số bài gửi: 2481 | I don't know Arabic but I think it begins from 155th verse, isn't it? if it is the 155th verse, it is correctly translated and sticks to the Book |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 19:52 |
| ![](../avatars/68736.img) smyTổng số bài gửi: 2481 | and you don't need to check the "I would like an administrator to check this page" button to call admins dramati, you can do it by checking the boxes near their names and then posting your message (Carbon Copy ![](../images/emo/wink.png) ), so I'll switch it of |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 20:52 |
| | السلام عليكم dramati
سأعطي بعض التÙاصيل لتÙسير هذه الآية.
ÙÙÙŠ تÙسير ابن كثير يقول:"نبلوكم" أي أن الله تعالى يبتلي عباده أي يختبرهم ويمتØنهم. Ùكلمة "نبلوكم" من "أبلى" ويقال "ابتلاه" أي امتØنه واختبره.Ùˆ" البلوة" هي الاختبار والاختبار يكون بالخير والشر. وعليه Ùترجمة "نبلوكم" تكون "We shall test you" أو "We shall try you" أو "We shall put you to test".وهناك أمور عديدة يبتلي الله بها عباده كالخو٠والجوع والنقان ÙÙŠ الأموال والثمار وكل هذا وأمثاله يختبر الله بها عباده Ùمن صبر أثابه ومن قن Ø£Øلّ به عقابه ولهذا قال تعالى:"وبشّر الصابرين".
لكنني لا أرى أي Ùرق كبير بين اقتراØكم واقتراØÙŠ ØŒ Ùكلتا الترجمتين صØÙŠØتين وتؤديان المعنى Ù†Ùسه دون الضرر بالمعنى الأصلي وهذا هو الغرض من الترجمة.
شكرا على المناقشة. |
| | 16 Tháng 1 2008 21:13 |
| | NADJET20, you asked for an administrator check, and then you wrote in Arabic. The administrators cannot read Arabic, so please translate what you wrote into either English or French. Thank you! |
| | 17 Tháng 1 2008 06:03 |
| | NADJET 20: I am sure your text conveys the meaning of the Arabic. I am only questioning the fact that there are differences in your translation and other orthodox translations. I only do this because when dealing with spiritual matters one must be very careful. History has taught us that wars have been fought because of a few changed words in a spiritual text. Whenever I find something written in the Bible, Tora, or Koran I have to be very cautious. |
| | 17 Tháng 1 2008 08:12 |
| | Good morning
I agree with you Dramati . |
| | 17 Tháng 1 2008 10:29 |
| ![](../avatars/68736.img) smyTổng số bài gửi: 2481 | there are many translations of Quran on the net and they change slightly from each other in the usage of words, so I think we need Arabic experts help to decide on this,
this is NADJET20's translation:
Allah the Highest says :" Be sure We shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits , but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere."
this is the one dramati found:
155 And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives and crops; but give glad tidings to the steadfast,
this is the one I found:
155. Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,- |
| | 17 Tháng 1 2008 10:32 |
| ![](../avatars/68736.img) smyTổng số bài gửi: 2481 | Elmota and Marhaban, could you please read the discussion ongoing here and tell what are the best words to prefer in this case? CC: elmota marhaban |
| | 17 Tháng 1 2008 13:29 |
| | I find this one with "lexigolos". I think nadjet's one is ok. This one is only the 155th verse. |
| | 17 Tháng 1 2008 15:36 |
| ![](../avatars/68736.img) smyTổng số bài gửi: 2481 | hmmm... but I still don't understand why "the fruits " are used... we should wait for the Arabic experts I think ![](../images/emo/wink.png) |
| | 18 Tháng 1 2008 09:28 |
| | hi all, i didnt see this one on my list, mmm
well i have to disagree with being strict to translating the Quran, i alwasy believed you take the part u understand and translate with the easiest language possible, because no matter what we do to create other copies of teh Quran, the is no such thing as a "credited or certified copy" of the Quran, and anyone interested to know more about it knows very well that eventually he has to learn arabic because the only certified copy is that in Arabic which does not have variations, so i would go easy on translating the possible interpretation, and i would make it clear that this is really our interpretation of 2008, because hitsory has taught us interpretation of the Quran did change over time, the text however, never really changed... so i think "fruits" or "crops" for "al thimar" both work just fine, and there is no need to make a big fuss out of it, you know what I mean? |
| | 3 Tháng 3 2010 01:20 |
| ![](../avatars/35160.img) barokTổng số bài gửi: 105 | Hi,it says this text was suggested by me! But I never suggested any text like this as I cant speak Arabic ![](../images/emo/grin.png) How is that possible??? |