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Dịch - Turkish-English - Bakanlık nezdinde resmi çalışmalar yapmaktayız.

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Title
Bakanlık nezdinde resmi çalışmalar yapmaktayız.
Text
Submitted by lamiao
Source language: Turkish

Bakanlık nezdinde resmi çalışmalar yapmaktayız.

Title
We are carrying out work in accordance with the regulations of the Ministry
Dịch
English

Translated by elifyo
Target language: English

We are carrying out work in accordance with the regulations of the Ministry.
Validated by Tantine - 14 Tháng 8 2008 05:30





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4 Tháng 8 2008 16:51

lamiao
Tổng số bài gửi: 10
Dear Tantine and elifyo,

The original sentence in Turkish is: "Bakanlık nezdinde resmi çalışmalar yapmaktayız", therefore "for the Ministry" does not give the meaning, "by the Ministry" gives the meaning better. So it should stay as "by the Ministry".

4 Tháng 8 2008 17:10

Tantine
Tổng số bài gửi: 2747
Hi Lamiao

As an Expert for English, it is my task to make sure that we produce translations into English that are understandable in English.

In English it is not possible to say, in this context "by the Ministry", unless of course the phrase wishes to indicate that the work or studies are done in a geographical location close to the Ministry. I do not think that this is the case. I think that it means that they are doing work or studies that have been asked for by the said Ministry, which is why I asked Elifyo to change it.

Translation is not simply changing one word for another in a different language. A translation needs to be just as readable and understandable in the target language as it was in the source language.

Bises
Tantine

5 Tháng 8 2008 09:11

lamiao
Tổng số bài gửi: 10
Dear Tantine,

Thank you for your explanation and I do agree with you on what you say, but "for the Ministry" does not give the meaning of the original sentence because we are not talking about works which are asked for by the Ministry. The sentence "We are carrying out official works for the Ministry" may be correct grammer-wise, syntax-wise etc, but it's not correct meaning-wise, so it's not acceptable for me in any way. I could have translated the sentence myself in many ways, but I could not figure out something which gives the exact meaning in a simple way, that's why I put it here so that someone who is expert in both languages could suggest something better. So, if "by the Ministry" is not appropriate, let's wait for something which gives a more proper meaning, but not "for the Ministry".

Thanks.

5 Tháng 8 2008 09:53

Rise
Tổng số bài gửi: 126
Hi all

nezdinde=yanında, huzurunda, gözetiminde
(Türk Dil Kurumu)

Do you think that something like this conveys the meaning? "We are carrying out official works or studies under the Minisitry's supervision"

5 Tháng 8 2008 10:09

elifyo
Tổng số bài gửi: 26
Hi Lamio and Tantine,

I examined the text in detail. In Turkish "nezdinde" means "beside,to be under supervision,to be in presence of sb.", so I guess "by the Ministry" fulfils the meaning better than "for the MÄ°nistry".

5 Tháng 8 2008 14:09

Rise
Tổng số bài gửi: 126
lamio ve elifyo,

Sizce cümlenin aslı ne diyor? "nezdinde" derken bakanlığa yakın bir yerde mi çalışmaların yapıldığını yoksa bakanlığın gözetiminde mi yapıldığı kastediliyor? Burda "nezdinde" sözcüğünün hangi anlamında kullanıldığı büyük rol oynayacak. Eğer yakın bir yerdeyse "by the Ministry", eğer gözetimindeyse yukarıdaki öneri belki uygun olabilir: "under the Ministry's supervision"
Ne diyorsunuz?

5 Tháng 8 2008 14:31

Rise
Tổng số bài gửi: 126
Hi Tantine

I've asked them what they think the accurate meaning of "nezdinde" here is. I think it will play a great role to do the right translation. Works or studies are being carried out somewhere close to the Ministry -as you stated above- or they are done under the supervision of the Ministry? But I don't think that this word gives the meaning of doing works that have been asked for by the Ministry.

5 Tháng 8 2008 16:10

lamiao
Tổng số bài gửi: 10
Hello Rise,

As you will know (since you are from Turkey and I presume you are Turkish), the Turkish word "nezdinde" has nothing to do with being "geographically close to the Ministry", neither does it mean that the "works" (or "efforts" could be a more appropriate word to use here) are carried out under the supervision of the Ministry; more accurately it means that the efforts are being carried out in accordance to the regulations of the Ministry and by being in communication with them during the process, with the purpose of achieving some official result. The problem is how to sum up all these in one sentence.. )


5 Tháng 8 2008 16:50

elifyo
Tổng số bài gửi: 26
Hi to all,
I totally agree with lamiao. "nezdinde" does not mean "geographically close" at all. In my opinion ın this text, "nezdinde" means that the efforts are being carried out in accordance with the regulations of the Ministry and/or under the supervision of the Ministry. Again in my opinion "by the Ministry" is the best fitting phrase. But if there is a better phrase, I'd be happy to learn a new one:-)

6 Tháng 8 2008 01:13

Tantine
Tổng số bài gửi: 2747
Hi all,

The meaning may be clear in Turkish, but in English "We are carrying out work (without a s in English) and studies by the Ministry" has no meaning.

We will have to find an adequate phrase in English otherwise the text will not be understandable in the target language.

Would it work if we added the word "done" in the phrase => "We are carrying out work and studies done by the Ministry"

Let me know

We will get there in the end

Bises
Tantine

10 Tháng 8 2008 05:58

kafetzou
Tổng số bài gửi: 7963
Instead of saying "works or studies", it would be better to choose one (work is not countable, so it would be better in the singular), and then to up a comment below that it could be "studies" instead of "work".

10 Tháng 8 2008 06:01

kafetzou
Tổng số bài gửi: 7963
I don't understand what's wrong with "for the ministry". How about something like "under the jurisdiction of the ministry", lamiao?

11 Tháng 8 2008 08:44

lamiao
Tổng số bài gửi: 10
Hi Kafetzou,

As I've tried to explain above, "for the ministry" implies that the Ministry is the party who is asking for this work to be done by the other party; "under the jurisdiction of the Ministry" would be similar as it means that there is a legal agreement between the parties; however this is not the case, the other party is trying to accomplish an official goal on its own (like preparing official documents in order to be able to enter into a tender etc.) and it's trying to do it according to the regulations of the Ministry with the expectation that it might be accepted by the Ministry in the end. I think, after all, the best solution would be: "We are carrying out work (or putting forward efforts) in accordance to the regulations of the Ministry".

11 Tháng 8 2008 15:09

Tantine
Tổng số bài gửi: 2747
Hi Lamiao

Your latest message is really helpful, and I will now be able to suggest a "final" version.

In English it is either "in accordance with" or "according to", in the present situation I think "in accordance with" seems the most appropriate.

"We are carrying out work in accordance with the regulations of the Ministry"

Bises
Tantine


11 Tháng 8 2008 16:34

kafetzou
Tổng số bài gửi: 7963
Ah - now I understand. Yes, that sounds good.

11 Tháng 8 2008 16:54

lamiao
Tổng số bài gửi: 10
Hi Tantine,

Yes, I think "We are carrying out work in accordance with the regulations of the Ministry" would be the final most appropriate translation as you say.

Cheers.

12 Tháng 8 2008 16:03

elifyo
Tổng số bài gửi: 26
Hi to all,
"We are carrying out work in accordance with the regulations of the Ministry" is the best sentence that interprets. I guess we all are agreed on this sentence. Shall I do the edits?

Cheers from me too)

14 Tháng 8 2008 06:11

kafetzou
Tổng số bài gửi: 7963
Yes, elifyo - please carry out the edits.

14 Tháng 8 2008 05:31

Tantine
Tổng số bài gửi: 2747
Hi All

Nice teamwork

It is validated enjoy your points elifyo.

Bises
Tantine

15 Tháng 8 2008 21:13

elifyo
Tổng số bài gửi: 26

Thanks to you Tantine and all.It was really a nice team work. I enjoy my points and also learning new phrases and meeting friens like you.

Best regards,
Elif
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