ترجمة - انجليزي-فرنسي - It's like puzzle solving.

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عنوان	It's like puzzle solving.
نص إقترحت من طرف kafetzou	لغة مصدر: انجليزي It's like puzzle solving.

عنوان	C'est un peu comme rÃ©soudre un puzzle
ترجمة فرنسي ترجمت من طرف CocoT	لغة الهدف: فرنسي C'est un peu comme rÃ©soudre un puzzle
ملاحظات حول الترجمة	Visiblement, le contexte manque ici pour en donner une traduction satisfaisante. LittÃ©ralement, cela signifie Â« câ€™est comme rÃ©soudre un puzzle/une Ã©nigme Â». On pourrait dire Â« Sudoku is a gameâ€¦ itâ€™s like puzzle-solving Â», alors on dirait quelque chose comme Â« câ€™est un genre de puzzle Â». Au figurÃ©, on ferait allusion Ã une situation difficile Ã comprendre ou un problÃ¨me difficile Ã rÃ©soudre. Alors on peut traduire par Â« Câ€™est un casse-tÃªte Â», Â« Cela me laisse perplexe Â» ou mÃªme Â« Je nâ€™y comprend rien Â»â€¦ les alternatives sont nombreuses. --- Later comment (after the first three) Ok, I see what you meant :) I've thus removed my first option ("Cela me laisse perplexe") and I'm replacing it by something else. I think the new version works but I'm leaving the old commentary for info's sake. The comment about how using or not using the "to me" might change the translation partly makes sense but then, in a hurried conversation, I'm not sure it really makes a difference, as I believe that the person speaking can still make reference to his/her own experience no matter what (with or without the "to me"). Interestingly, in this very case, even if we first got the deep meaning wrong, Kaeftzou did mean "to me", but it was just implicit. Oh, and I added the "un peu" because I think the comparison sounds more natural that way.

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- 24 كانون الثاني 2007 14:58

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	الكاتب	رسالة
		24 كانون الثاني 2007 12:37
	Francky5591 عدد الرسائل: 12396	Moi aussi, "cela me laisse perplexe", car ce pourrait Ãªtre Ã©galement une description du travail d'un enquÃªteur ("c'est comme rÃ©soudre un puzzle"...)ou d'un chercheur...
		24 كانون الثاني 2007 14:03
	Francky5591 عدد الرسائل: 12396	"cela me laisse perplexe" serait plutÃ´t traduit par "it's like puzzle solving to me"
		24 كانون الثاني 2007 14:24
	kafetzou عدد الرسائل: 7963	Sorry, everybody - the context was how I feel about Cucumis. I used to waste a lot of time doing puzzles, like crossword puzzles and Text Twist (I don't know if you guys have other word puzzles online in French), but now that I've found Cucumis, I don't do that anymore, because translating on Cucumis is like puzzle solving for me.
		24 كانون الثاني 2007 14:50
	Francky5591 عدد الرسائل: 12396	OK, I understand now, so it has to be translated at the first degree : "c'est comme rÃ©soudre un puzzle "(for me)
		24 كانون الثاني 2007 14:56
	Francky5591 عدد الرسائل: 12396	But you should notice that for translations into other languages, as for instance in spanish it has been translated the wrong way, and maybe in other languages too, I'm going to check
		24 كانون الثاني 2007 15:13
	CocoT عدد الرسائل: 165	Yup, it probably snowballed, there... That's why I wrote a longer comment and offered "c'est un genre de puzzle", but then I don't know if people read the commentary or offered similar alternatives.
		25 كانون الثاني 2007 04:56
	kafetzou عدد الرسائل: 7963	I actually liked CocoT's version: "Câ€™est comme un casse-tÃªte" or whatever he said. You can't really say, "Sudoku is a gameâ€¦ itâ€™s like puzzle-solving," because Sudoku IS a type of puzzle. The word puzzle is quite broad in English, which is why I think "casse-tÃªte" fits better.
		25 كانون الثاني 2007 16:29
	CocoT عدد الرسائل: 165	I guess the only thing about "casse-tÃªte" is that, while it does refer to those Chinese wooden puzzles that are difficult to solve (I'm sure you the ones I mean), in French it does have a little bit of a bad connotation. When something is "un vrai casse-tÃªte" to you, then you're usually not particularly happy about it and do not really derive pleasure from solving it (other than being glad to get rid of the problem :P)... so I don't know...
		25 كانون الثاني 2007 16:29
	cucumis عدد الرسائل: 3785	I also think that in the context you described, "puzzle" should not be translated by "puzzle" but "casse-tÃªte" or "Ã©nigme".
		25 كانون الثاني 2007 16:31
	CocoT عدد الرسائل: 165	Note that it is not directly compared to a puzzle but to the action of "resoudre" a puzzle. I would personally keep the "resoudre", what do you think?
		26 كانون الثاني 2007 15:31
	nava91 عدد الرسائل: 1268	"Ãˆ proprio un rompicapo!"
		26 كانون الثاني 2007 06:07
	kafetzou عدد الرسائل: 7963	Sorry - in light of what CocoT wrote above about "casse-tÃªte" I agree that "puzzle" is a better translation, since I was talking about something I get a lot of pleasure out of.