Traducerea - The effect of the placement of two endowed universities (Engleză)

Hi Kafetzou

I was just wondering if it would make the reading easier if we put:

"... of two endowed universities, one in a historic ... and the other in a residential area, developed for the placement of shoddy... overnight, ... environment[,]..."

Its just that it is such a loooooooong phrase to read. Are there ever commas in Turkish, I have often noticed that the phrases from Turkish are long?

And maybe "The" instead of "Their" at the beginning of the last phrase. As there is a repetition of the word later in the phrase it might be better.

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... The time honoured poll

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Tantine

"yakın zamanlarda açılmış iki vakıf üniversitesinin....etkileri" = the effects of the two recently launched universities,
and the rest is better with Tantine's suggestion of "one in a historic ... and the other in a ....".

üniversitelerin açılması, onların işletilmeye başladığı anlamına geliyor ve "gecekondu" "overnight" kelimesini kullanmana gerek yok sanırım, çünkü genellikle bir gece içinde yapılmıyorlar.

Hi smy

I'm afraid I don't understand what you have written here (beyond what is written in English )

As you haven't polled against the translation I imagine that you find the translation ok?

I love your suggestions - why on earth didn't I think of that???

smy thinks we don't need to say "built overnight", as that's a little too literal of a translation, but that was why I added the note under the translation. I'm not sure - she's definitely right that they probably weren't built overnight, but "shoddy houses" doesn't capture the whole idea.

Tantine, what do you think?

Wow - we posted simultaneously - but across an ocean and quite a bit of land!

To your other question, Tantine, the commas are often unnecessary in Turkish, because the word endings tell you the relationships between the words.

Hi Tantine,
I think the translation is okey and it's better now except "placement of the universities".

Kafetzou üniversitelerin açılması onların "işletilmeye başladığı" anlamına geliyor ama "placement" "yerleştirme" anlamına geliyor.

"overnight" yerine "hastily" türünden birşeyler kullanamaz mısın?

Hi

Great minds send messages alike (new cucumis adage)

I agree that simply writing "shoddy houses" will not convey the original meaning. Could we try "shoddy, hastily built housing" and put a new note about the same question under the translation?

Bises
Tantine

Kafetzou, the requester must have made a change in the source text because it's "gecekonduluların" now! Or it was already in that way from the beginning So it means "people from slums",
"for the placement of people from slums"

Funny - I didn't notice that either. I'll change it:

"developed to house people in shoddy houses built overnight" ???

"gecekondular" are not slums. They're really quite different (I've seen both).

Maybe you can say "squatters", please see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecekondu

No - they're definitely not squatters. Squatters are occupying houses built by others and abandoned. It's a phenomenon not translatable into other languages, which is why I put the explanation right into the translation.

Well, "illegal settlements" would be clear enough for the underlying meaning. Because they're illegal whatever material they are made.

I hate that kind of Turkish sentences...very badly writen...and congratulations on translating it...

smy, do you think that the term "gecekondu" includes the concept of being illegal?

it's the term itself what makes us think automatically an illegally built house.

I never realized that the concept of illegality was what people thought of first. When I lived in Turkey, this phenomenon was in the news all the time - I was under the impression that most people thought first about the fact that the houses were shoddily and hastily built, and in areas where nobody would otherwise want to live, and that the people who lived in them were usually new transplants from villages in (mostly) Eastern Turkey.

Well, that's normal of us to think so because that's what the term means in fact, but we also think about an illegal settlement besides that.

I don't think that's an incorrect translation but as you said it's too literal.

Anyway, I changed it according to your suggestion to "hastily built" instead of overnight, and I put a link that wikipedia page in the comments.