Tłumaczenie - Francuski-Angielski - Perdu le nord (de Yohann Lavabre)

This is once again a brilliant translation, CocoT, but I have two questions:

1) What is "dilatation"?

2) Shouldn't the title (and author's name) be part of the translated area?

Salut CocoT,

-Je crois que tu as bien fait pour le titre, car la seule traduction que j'ai sur mon dico est : "perdre le nord" : "to lose one's bearing", donc comme le titre est au participe passé sans qu'il soit précisément mentionné "qui" perd le nord, cette traduction aurait été impossible.

Donc la remplacer par l'expression idomatique "to be in deep water" est une bonne idée, d'autant qu'elle ne trahit pas l'image du nord tel qu'il risque de se retrouver dans X années.

- En ce qui concerne la question de kafetzou par rapport à "dilatation", je me demande si les anglophones l'utilisent autrement que dans leur vocabulaire médical, alors qu'en français ce terme aurait une signification plus étendue. les deux seuls termes anglais dont je dispose dans mon dico sont "dilatation" et "distension"...

-(kafetzou) I forgot to mention I wanted both fields to be translated, and not only title resumed in the translation field, but also comments field translated as well...in the comments field from the target-language (and so on in the Brasilian version)

I know this isn't an orthodoxe way to translate here, but I wanted to leave it as a tribute to the author who pointed out a serious problem caused by irresponsability of the industrialised countries.

There are a lot of levels to consider discourse of this play, notably

-Although they are warned by scientists about this very real risk, a very few industrialised countries are considering this risk as unavoidable, but are still keeping on acting as if it was something far away from now in terms of time.

-They keep ignoring (most of them voluntarily) that these nature/earth reactions are caused by their irresponsible behaviour, and that even if efforts were made, this reaction still would be very long to be stopped, as the earth cannot be stopped in its reaction so easily as a car would be stopped using its brakes.

-Arctic ice sheet melting won't stop, and the reaction described above is now unavoidable.

-This play is looking like a fiction one (anticipation/science fiction) only because time is a relative notion, and because the situation described herein won't probably happen before several generations from now.

-This is a "science-fiction" one, its action happens far from now in time, and geo-political situation seems so different from now that it is nearly impossible to conceive.

-But what caused this situation(in the play) is terribly real (global warming and ice sheet melting are real)

-So how can human beings be aware of earth ice sheet melting, and still consider the description of its consequences as "science-fiction"?

- And how could African countries develop according to their own criterias uh?

Answer to these questions is told inside the play, I won't reveal the whole content of it, it is just too bad this play isn't issued in other countries than France, in different languages!

Thank you, Kafetzou, that's really kind
Francky, I'm glad you liked it and the title

For "dilatation", I chose what I think is the word used in physics (and chemistry, too, if I remember my classes correctly hehe) for a change in a material's volume caused by temperature changes. Granddictionnaire.com describes it (in French) as "Au sens littéral, la dilatation est l'accroissement de longueur ou de volume résultant d'une élévation de température" and offers "dilatation" as a translation. It does also offer simply "expansion" with a very similar definition ( "Augmentation du volume d'un corps sous l'influence d'une variation de température sans changement de sa nature ou de sa constitution" ), but since we're talking of ice becoming water (at least in the beginning of the process), I wasn't sure. Otherwise, yes, Francky, you're also right to say that the word is also often used in a medical context.

You're right about your comment on the author. I simply forgot to include it. I'll also translate the "footnote", Francky, so people reading the english text get a the necessary info

I had never heard of "dilatation", but maybe it's correct here.

CocoT, the part you've written below the -- should NOT be in the translation box - it was in the commentary - but the title and author's name [The North in deep water (by Yoann Lavabre)] should be above the text, as it is in the original.

CC: CocoT

Oh, sorry :P
Thanks for correcting it

Francky did that - I just took out the extra lines of space.