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अनुबाद - नर्वेजियन-Latin - Jeg savner deg, pappa

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Category Sentence - Love / Friendship

शीर्षक
Jeg savner deg, pappa
हरफ
triggerद्वारा बुझाइएको
स्रोत भाषा: नर्वेजियन

Jeg savner deg, pappa.

शीर्षक
Ego te desidero, tata.
अनुबाद
Latin

Aneta B.द्वारा अनुबाद गरिएको
अनुबाद गर्नुपर्ने भाषा: Latin

Ego te desidero, tata.
अनुबादका लागि चाहिन सक्ने थप जानकारी
Bridge by Gamine:
"I miss you, Pa."
Validated by chronotribe - 2009年 जुन 16日 17:29





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2009年 जुन 11日 16:38

gamine
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 4611
Do we need a subject here:=="Miss you, Pa.""=

2009年 जुन 11日 16:44

trigger
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 1
No

2009年 जुन 11日 16:59

lilian canale
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 14972
Yes, thanks Lene

CC: gamine

2009年 जुन 14日 14:38

chronotribe
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 119
Hi Aneta!

"papa/papas" means "tutor or governor" (hence Pope in Christianity).

In the language of children, dad/daddy is "tata"!

Varr. ap. Non. 81, 5: 'cum cibum ac potionem buas ac pappas uocent et matrem mammam, patrem tatam'

From this testimony of our so precious and inestimable Varro, we can learn that Roman children was used to say "pappa" (or papa) for food!

However when they spoke Greek, which couldn't have been unusual, they would say "pap[p]a!" as in Italian, Spanish and French.

2009年 जुन 14日 14:39

chronotribe
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 119
... were used... (sorry!)

2009年 जुन 14日 17:36

Aneta B.
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 4487
From what I can gather you want me to write "tata" instaed of "papa"... Do you?
It was realy nice to get know that Roman children called their father like Polish children do now (sic!) So thanks a lot for this info. You're incredible, chronotribe!

2009年 जुन 14日 17:56

Aneta B.
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 4487
Moreover, if you are curious (I know you are inherently), there are two similar words in Italian language: papà – daddy, and papa – pope. They differ from each other only by the accent Isn't it interesting?

2009年 जुन 15日 12:39

chronotribe
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 119
This is quite a surprising situation indeed, because French children (and to my regret...) older people are used to say 'papa' for 'père' (only yesterday I saw in Paris streets a demonstration of fathers protesting against children custody legislation, who were handing placards and streamers that read something like 'PAPAS EN COLERE' [ANGRY DADDIES] making probably a fair protest into a ludicrous fair...).

Thus when I read you had translated 'pa' into 'papa', I wasn't amazed by the strangeness of thing, but you know quam religiosus aliquando sim: the fact is I couldn't remember only one locus in authors (Cicero' Letters ad Fam., for instance) where they had written as Children babble, 'papa' or whatever instead of 'pater mi'!

This is all the more surprising to learn thanks to your kindness that Polish children call their fathers like Roman ones did! Mirabilia temporum morumque! In France, some children say 'tata' (others, like I was used to say, 'tatie') for 'tante' (aunt)...

Your remark about Italian words 'papà' and 'papa' is very interesting indeed and well suitable for satisfying (and teasing) my curiosity! Difference of accent in words (unfortunately too weak and monotonous in French) is often a good way to trace difference of origins. I suppose this may be a hint, that those two words have partly separated etymologies. According to etymological dictionaries, the origin of It. 'papa'/Fr. 'pape' is well-known: it is Lat. 'pap[p]a[s]' (from Greek πάπας, πάππας = 'daddy') meaning 'governor' or 'tutor', 'paedagogus'(Juvenal, 6, 632), hence a honorary title '[foster] father' given to bishops from the 3rd cent., then (6th cent.) mainly to the bishop of Rome, and finally nearly reserved to him from 9th.

However, the etymology of 'papà', Fr. 'papa' (same stress), etc., is far less clear. In French it is attested since the 12th cent. and probably far older, but dictionaries only emphasize 'correspondences' in other languages. One of them indicates Lat. 'pappus' (grandfather/old man/ancestor) as a possible origin, but this one comes directly from Greek πάππoς (same meaning)... It doesn't seem to me more satisfying than 'pappas'. I think it's probably some 'recreation' in accordance with a common pattern in an early state of Romanic languages or perhaps in late Latin (before Romanic languages had differentiated themselves from each others). Nothing is more obfuscated and mysterious than those familiar things.


2009年 जुन 15日 13:38

chronotribe
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 119
Well... hem... Just another thing about translation:
I'm not sure of 'tibi' here. Wouldn't it be rather 'tui' (pron. gen.) or 'tuo'(adj. abl.)?

2009年 जुन 15日 19:01

Aneta B.
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 4487
Thanks for your 'rich' answer! I like to work and discuse with you so much. I'm learning from you a lot! Well, if I remember correctly there is a phrase 'in desiderio alicui esse" in my dictionary, but I'll check it once again, ok?

2009年 जुन 15日 19:05

Aneta B.
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 4487
You're right, chronotribe! Maybe I was drunken when I was translating it

There are two possibilities:
1. "desiderio alicui esse" - to cause longing in sb!
2. "in desiderio alicuius esse" - to be an object of sb's longing

So, I propose the following versions to choose:
1."Desiderio mihi es, tata"
2."In desiderio mei es, tata"

Which do you prefer?

2009年 जुन 15日 19:06

Aneta B.
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 4487
or simply:
3. "Te desidero, tata".

In my opinion the last one is the best

2009年 जुन 16日 17:29

chronotribe
चिठ्ठीको सङ्ख्या: 119
I think so too