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Category Colloquial

This translation request is "Meaning only".
Title
çeviri
Text
Submitted by fıstıkezgi
Source language: Japanese

anatava tayhen amai na onnano hito deso

Title
You are a really sweet woman
Translation
English

Translated by Cisa
Target language: English

You are a really sweet woman
Validated by Chantal - 4 September 2007 06:15





Last messages

Author
Message

28 August 2007 22:17

Tantine
Number of messages: 2747
Hi Cisa,

What's nice with cucumis is that we keep bumping into each other

I'll do a poll because I don't read any Japanese at all, not even phonetic Japanese

Bises
Tantine

29 August 2007 01:15

ミハイル
Number of messages: 275
I think the original text is strange.

Cisa-sama,please wait moment for traslating.

29 August 2007 20:16

Tantine
Number of messages: 2747
Hi Mikhail

Haven't seen you for a while, last time was on the geesee chat.

What is stange with the original?

Hi Michel Lao, can you tell me why you voted red for this translation? What is wrong with it? Please let me know.

Bises
Tantine

30 August 2007 01:51

IanMegill
Number of messages: 3
“Kimi’tte honto ni yasashii hito da ne!” (colloquial) or “Anata wa honto ni yasashii hito desu” (more formal) are much better: “taihen” means “very,” not “really”; “amai,” although translated “sweet” in the dictionary, when applied to people means “someone who is not aware of their obligations in society,” a “dreamer,” as it were.My word “yasashii” means “kind,” which is what the word “sweet” here is being used to indicate.
PS: Japanese people can read our roman alphabet, but do not use it among themselves to write their own language. Would it not also be necessary to provide a true Japanese translation, i.e. with Japanese characters?



31 August 2007 06:01

IanMegill
Number of messages: 3
The "Japanese" is barely comprehensible and was obviously written by someone who was not Japanese.
It seems like they mean "you (female) are a complete dreamer, out of touch with the requirements of real life," or if they looked in the dictionary and thought "amai" (when applied to people) meant "sweet," then maybe the translation is a good approximation of it. But a real Japanese person would never mean that ("sweet," i.e. "kind" ) in this context.

30 August 2007 02:27

pluiepoco
Number of messages: 1263
Yes, writting a language not in its own alphabet is not deemed respectful.

30 August 2007 09:40

Cisa
Number of messages: 765
Well, I don´t like Romaji either...

Anyway, I translated it so with a help of a dictionary. Anatawa, taihen, onna no hito desu are all clear. I looke up amai, and it meants sweet and some other things, but concerning that this is probably told to a girl, I´ve chosen sweet.

And here´s a not Romaji version (that I hope is right!):
あなたは大変甘い女の人です。

30 August 2007 09:40

Tantine
Number of messages: 2747
Hi Cisa,

I don't think it's your fault if the translation is a little "ambiguous". fıstıkezgi should normally have submitted her request using Japanese characters and not the roman alphabet, which would probably have avoided us having such problems.

Thanks to IanMegill-san for his explanations.

ミハイル-san, as a native Japanese speaker, can you give me your opinion on these suggestions.

Cisa, once ミハイル(Mikhail) has told us what he thinks could you edit according to suggestions and I will re-poll

I've also cc'ed en and Polar Bear in case on or the other can help up here

Bises
Tantine

CC: ミハイル IanMegill en Polar Bear

30 August 2007 15:08

punia
Number of messages: 20
I am a Japanese, but I don't understand what the original text means exactly. Because it was obviously written by someone who was not a Japanese, like IanMegill said.
So I agree with Cisa. We must be content with a word-for-word translation.

30 August 2007 20:35

Tantine
Number of messages: 2747
Cisa,

I will have to reject the text, ask the requestor to resubmit the demand in Japanese characters.

I will reject with a really good note and I will donate you the points you would have earned so as you didn't do it for nothing.

(I'm only just learning tobe an English Expert so you have to be indulgent and forgive me if I'm too harsh or too laxist at first, I'm sure I'll become more efficient after a few evaluations)

Does this suit everyone?

Bises
Tantine

31 August 2007 06:21

IanMegill
Number of messages: 3
Salut Tantine,

Merci bien de toutes tes interventions!

Je me demandais s'il n'etait pas possible d'ajouter un bouton a cliquer a quelque part (si possible avant de faire la traduction meme) qui indiquerait que le texte a traduire n'etait pas naturel, c-a-d pas du vrai japonais comme dans ce cas?

Cela nous epargnerait des maux de tete quand le texte de base etait douteux, fautif ou meme incomprehensible, comme celui-ci: ainsi on perderait pas son temps a essayer de deviner ce que le texte veut dire.

Petite suggestion...

Ian
---
Live, Love, Learn, Laugh

PS: pardon, je tape sans accents avec mon clavier japonais...

31 August 2007 06:51

Cisa
Number of messages: 765
Salut Ian

si le texte n´est pas ´vrais´, il y bcp d´erreurs etc. alors on clique sur ´Meaning only´, alors on peut traduire ce que le texte signifie, pas précisement de mot á mot.

Hi Tantine

well, then reject, I´ll survive it... Somehow...

Szió,
Cisa

2 September 2007 11:59

IanMegill2
Number of messages: 1671
Salut Cisa,
Merci pour ta suggestion!
Pourtant, il me semblait que le bouton "meaning only" etait la pour ceux qui ne maitrisaient pas la langue d'arrivee, et non pour indiquer que le texte de depart etait fautif ou incomprehensible...
Surtout dans le cas de l'incomprehensibilite, on ne pourrait meme pas rendre avec confiance le *sens* de la phrase! Bof--je comprends bien qu'on pourrait toujours indiquer une telle confusion dans la section en-dessous de la traduction, dans les notes supplementaires...
Alors c'est pas vraiment pour me plaindre que j'ai fait cette suggestion: je m'imaginais seulement qu'on gagnerait tous du temps ainsi, si on pouvait immediatement indiquer que le texte de depart n'etait pas traduisible...
Evidemment, le HTML du site ne se re-ecrit pas du jour au lendemain, mais peut-etre un jour...?
Alors, bonne journee et bonnes traductions a tous!
Ian
---
Live, Love, Learn, Laugh...

2 September 2007 13:07

Francky5591
Number of messages: 12396
Salut IanMegill2, le "meaning only" est employé

-lorsque le demandeur ne connaît pas la langue-source

-lorsqu'un texte est soumis dans d'autres alphabets/caractères (exemple de ce texte japonais écrit en caractères latins)

-lorqu'il est difficilement compréhensible

Dans tous les cas si le demandeur ne soumet pas sa demande en "meaning only", il revient aux experts dans la langue-source, et/ou aux admins, de remédier à cet état de choses quand c'est nécessaire, soit en apposant le bandeau "meaning only", soit en retirant la demande de traduction.

2 September 2007 19:25

kafetzou
Number of messages: 7963
Tantine, I have sent a message to the requester, asking her either to submit it in a language she knows, or to have the person who wrote it to her re-write it in a language s/he knows.

2 September 2007 19:58

Tantine
Number of messages: 2747
OK, Thanks Kafetzou

3 September 2007 04:46

kafetzou
Number of messages: 7963
She responded with thanks for trying to help her, and she said she would ask the woman who sent it to her to re-write it in another language.

3 September 2007 17:15

Tantine
Number of messages: 2747
Thanks