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| | 6 gegužė 2008 19:33 |
| | Kafetzou, what does "throw in my star" mean? Is it some idiom? On the other hand, what is supposed "to be complete" after this action, because these sentences don't make much sense in Spanish.
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| | 6 gegužė 2008 19:54 |
| | They don't in English or Turkish either. I wrote to serba before I did the English translation to ask if it was an idiom, and he said it was not. I assume it's part of a conversation. Maybe it's between two lovers speaking metaphorically of their "stars", and throwing them together or something. |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 19:57 |
| | Hola, Kafe y Guilon.
De acuerdo con tu propia versión en inglés, la frase en español serÃa:
" Voy a arrojar mi estrella también, asà estará completo"
Me hace imaginar algo como una poción mágica...
¿parece locura? |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 20:26 |
| | Creo que si. ¿Quieres rechazar mi traducción, o quieres que la correja? |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 20:55 |
| | Por mÃ, mejor que la corrijas. |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 22:27 |
| | OK - I did it. But I'm not sure that "arrojar" is correct. The verb "atmak" in Turkish can mean many things, such as "throw, throw in, add, etc." - I took it to mean "throw in" or "add in" - añadir? |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 22:30 |
| | I changed the last part. In Turkish, it's the subjunctive: that it may be complete (it's just that we don't say that in English, but I believe it's possible in Spanish).
Also, the verb form of the first part is the 1st person imperative, similar to "let's" but singular ("let me" ). Again, this is not a form that we use in English, but it may be in Spanish. Can you guys help?
CC: guilon lilian canale |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 22:41 |
| | Bueno, si es asà entonces:
"Déjame arrojar/echar mi estrella también para que esté/quede completo."
tanto "arrojar" como "echar" es correcto, lo mismo pasa con la forma del subjuntivo, puede ser "esté" o "quede".
En español no existe una forma de imperativo de la 1ª persona, entonces la mejor manera de expresar la voluntad es usar "déjame" + infinitivo.
¿Tienes otra idea mejor Guilon? |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 23:09 |
| | Sorry, Lilian, but I don't think it's "déjame". The form in Turkish expresses volunteering, which is why it's easily translated into English with "I'll". |
| | 6 gegužė 2008 23:34 |
| | Verb tenses are always a problem, no matter the language, aren't they?
Anyway, just to make that clear
Voy a arrojar = I'm going to throw in
Arrojaré = I will throw in
Déjame arrojar = Let me throw in
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| | 6 gegužė 2008 23:47 |
| | Are these exactly parallel to their English translations, Lilian? For example, is "arrojaré" used for volunteering? For example, when the phone is ringing, in English we say "I'll get it!" - what do you say in Spanish? |
| | 7 gegužė 2008 00:02 |
| | Actually, there are many uses of "I'll" in English for short statements. Those in Spanish would probably be said in Simple Present.
That "I'll get it" for answering the phone, in Spanish would be: "Yo atiendo".
I'll be right back = Ya vuelvo (vuelvo enseguida/pronto)
But in a longer sentence like this: "I'll throw in my star too, so it'll be complete" the Simple Present would not combine. |
| | 7 gegužė 2008 00:27 |
| | Entonces, how about "Arrojo mi estrella también, para que esté completo"? |
| | 7 gegužė 2008 01:37 |
| | NOTE: The reason for the use of future tense in the type of sentence we're talking about in English is not that the statement is short - it's that the intention is to volunteer to do something, and that is exactly the meaning of the Turkish here, too.
Here is an example that is not short, but has the same meaning: "I'll give her a call as soon as I get back." |
| | 7 gegužė 2008 00:49 |
| | I think the way the sentence is now is correct.
It shows volunteer to throw in the star for something to be complete.
What I tried to show by comparing "voy a arrojar" to "I'm going to throw in" is that when we use "going to", we usually mean that we have decided to do something, that the action we are taking is our choice. That's what we mean with "Voy a..." in Spanish
Of course, this sometimes varies according to the sentence, but in general we can put it this way.
I guess we can set a poll now.
What do you think? |
| | 7 gegužė 2008 01:04 |
| | No - I think it's wrong. It wasn't "I'm going to" in the original. I'm going to change it before you set the poll. |
| | 7 gegužė 2008 01:13 |
| | OK, I can't understand Turkish.
You must know what is the exact meaning in the original, as I have already said somewhere, you master Turkish very well.
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