Tercüme - Türkçe-İngilizce - Bu akÅŸamda sensizliÄŸi anılara sarıp içtim...

Obrigado, smy!

Perhaps "filled my saz with longing"?
It sounds more natural than "charging a saz"

Hi smy

I think that the translation of the 6th line is fine - the word "would" is used the convey the uncertainty of "olmazmıyım".

But this line is not correct: "Why, I say, don't you return at the last moment." It should be, "What happened? I say, ah, if only you would come back in the last minute."

P.S. A saz is a saz, everybody! There's no other word for this instrument.

I think the "charger" line should be "I long for my saz's inspiration".

This is a saz:



And this is a banjo:

well i like "I long for my saz's inspiration".
It sounds good though i don't know how accurate it is since frankly i don't understand the original line in turkish.

"Ne vardı" is equal to 'ne olur' and means something like:"what's the worst that could happen?" or "why not?"

Ok, then the 6th line is correct, thanks Kafetzou! yet, the translation for "Şarjörüne hasret sürdüm sazımın" is not correct as is, we need some explanation from barok, the and also this line:
"Why, I say, don't you return at the last moment" should be
"What would happen if you returned at the last moment"

you should unevaluate this translation dramati.

CC: dramati

"Ne vardı" means "What would happen"????

Also, kfeto, why did you use the word "welding" in the first line?

Yes, "ne vardı" means "ne olurdu"?

Ok, this line should be changed completely, this is the most literal translation:

Ne vardı diyorum ah bir dönseydin son anda = I say, what would happen if you only returned at the last moment?

And, "I long for my saz's inspiration" would not be correct.

I would either say "If you would only return" or "If you returned", not "If you only returned". "If only you returned" is also possible.

What do you think he means with the charger, then?

I think he considers "saz" as a gun and its strings as "charger" and then he plays his longing with saz, that means "şarjörüne hasret sürdüm sazımın" but kfeto used "adorned" which means "süsledim". What about "I charged my saz's strings with longing" -->thinking "strings" are "charger" ?

"Also, kfeto, why did you use the word "welding" in the first line?"
yes more correct would be 'wrapped' or 'surrounded' i deviated because i thought welding conjured up a more poetic imagery.

literally 'ne vardi' means 'what was' or 'what existed' as in 'what existed (that stopped you from returning or doing whatever it is that i want you to do)'

"welding" conjures up an image of metallic industrial work. "clinging to" might be better here, but I don't totally understand the grammar of the first line. Why is "sensizlik" in the objective case? What verb is it the object of?

kfeto, you and smy, who are both native speakers, seem to disagree about the meaning of "ne vardi". I also thought it meant "what was there", which is why I wrote my suggested translation, which you can see in my note above (20 February 2008 07:06).

hi Laura:-)

i don't think smy and i disagree.
we both agree that 'ne vardi' is the same as 'ne olur' literally 'what would happen', the infinitive being 'ne olmak'= 'to happen'

yeah welding is bad...but 'cling to' is not recommended because the object of that would be the person itself, not the absence being 'clung on'.
sensizlik is the object of 'sarip' from 'sarmak'
literally 'having wrapped your absence around the memories, i drank'

kfeto, you're confusing me. In your post above you said, "literally 'ne vardi' means 'what was' or 'what existed' as in 'what existed (that stopped you from returning or doing whatever it is that i want you to do)'", but now you're saying, "we both agree that 'ne vardi' is the same as 'ne olur' literally 'what would happen'" - which is it????

Thanks for the explanation of the first line. In that case, I would say, "This evening I wrapped the memories in your absence and drank," but your last version is OK, too.

this will be revaluated, I've made the change as dramati said I could in a pm, now you can edit the 1st, 9th and 10th lines kfeto.

As "Ne vardı" is used as a conjunction here, it means the same with "ne olur/du (what would happen)", if it was used to mean "exist" as the verb of a sentence (e.g. "bu bardağın içinde ne vardı" ) then it would mean "what was there in..."

20 februari 2008 07:06 kafetzou translates 'ne vardi' as ""What happened?"

20 februari 2008 14:52 i explained giving two examples:
"Ne vardı" is equal to 'ne olur' and means something like:<example 1>"what's the worst that could happen?" or <example 2>"why not?"

20 februari 2008 12:02 smy suggests a translation which basically corresponds with the first example i give in my previous post(would- could):
"Why, I say, don't you return at the last moment" should be
"What would happen if you returned at the last moment"

20 februari 2008 15:41 kafetzou asks:
"Ne vardı" means "What would happen"????

21 februari 2008 11:41 i translate 'ne vardi' LITERALLY to clarify to kafetzou:
literally 'ne vardi' means 'what was' or 'what existed' as in 'what existed (that stopped you from returning or doing whatever it is that i want you to do)'

which is true since it is derived from 'var olmak'= 'to exist'

i never said that here "it was used to mean "exist" as the verb of a sentence", if i believed that i would've translated it as such to begin with.
i didn't. i used 'why not' since that, i felt, conveyed the meaning most accurately; namely a hypothetical question asking whether there is any reason not 'to return at the last moment'

Soit...i edited like this:
original:Why, I say, don't you return at the last moment
smy's suggestion: I say, what would happen if you only returned at the last moment
i slighty changed it because of the uncertainty expressed:
'you'd return'
hope this is acceptable to all because my laptop's charger is beginning to be filled with longing for conclusion...;-)

LOL!
I think the translation is good now.