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| | 11 Septembre 2009 12:49 |
| iriniNombre de messages: 849 | Not that it's wrong in any way, but what do you think about "Ἀγάπη (τὰ) πάντα νικᾶ"? The position of the object is a lesser importance obviously but I don't think ancient Greeks went for the definite article all that much and went for the contracted forms of the verbs most times.
My take obviously. |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 13:18 |
| iriniNombre de messages: 849 | Not that it's wrong in any way, but what do you think about "Ἀγάπη (τὰ) πάντα νικᾶ"? The position of the object is a lesser importance obviously but I don't think ancient Greeks went for the definite article all that much and went for the contracted forms of the verbs most times.
My take obviously. |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 15:10 |
| | νικᾶ? Why? Here is praesent simple (praesens activi)... You can compare with this:
η αγάπη νικάει τον θάνατον. - Love defeats the death.
(This order is also possible...) |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 16:20 |
| iriniNombre de messages: 849 | All orders are possible! As for "νικᾶ" vs "νικάει" it's just that (I think) that the contracted form was used more often than the un-contracted, that's all.
This is just a suggestion slash discussing the issue mind you, just that.
And modern Greek gets in the way in the most peculiar of ways (seeing as this is exactly as we'd say it in modern Greek I feel somehow obliged to "change" it. Talk about perversion! )
"ἜÏως ἀνίκατε μάχαν" would be the perfect one if it wasn't in vocative eh? |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 16:50 |
| | ἜÏως is different form from ἀγάπη and I thing that "eros" isn't so powerful to change the world as "agape" hehe So I prefer "agape" here... This is from Bible I guess, st Paul? He probably will use here "agape"...
I prefer also not contracted form, because it is probably "koine" (dialect of Ancient Greek used in Gospel/ New Testament texts)... |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 17:48 |
| | Well, if I can add sth, so-called "verba contracta" were used in Atttic dialect (classical one), but not in "koine" (III/IV BC - Hellenistic period when the Bible was written)...
Moreover, you missed sth small in your contracted form:
άει --> ᾷ ,not νικ ᾶ--> but νικ ᾷ - it's not such a big deal, but this is why I didn't know what you meant at the beginning and "until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law" hihi
It's very nice sb started the discussion on my Ancient Greek translations... I thought I would be waiting forever... |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 21:10 |
| iriniNombre de messages: 849 | Didn't miss it, can't remember for the life of me what key I'm supposed to hit
I didn't realize it was from the Bible! In this case you chose the perfect way to translate it. |
| | 11 Septembre 2009 23:31 |
| | Oh! I'm sorry, before the Bible the words were written by Vergilius "Amor vincit omnia", so can be "eros" too (he didn't type - "caritas"-equivalent of "agape" ), but for me "agape" is still better, because of the reasons I typed above... But I can change it of course... It depends on context I guess...Look, also what I have just found:
"Η αγάπη τα πάντα νικάει" (ΑλÎκου ΧÏυσοβÎÏγη)
http://www.music-bazaar.com/main.php?page=album&id=11015&lfs=gr
It's probably modern Greek here (? lack of some letter signs), but it can say us sth...
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| | 12 Septembre 2009 09:57 |
| | "Η αγάπη τα πάντα νικάει" (ΑλÎκου ΧÏυσοβÎÏγη) is modern Greek, because, for example, you don't have the so-called "breathings".
I think both ἀγάπη/ἜÏως and νικᾷ/νικάει are good.
Is it really in the Bible? If we can find the paragraphe, maybe we can check on the original version.
http://www.greekbible.com/
However, your translation is very good. |
| | 12 Septembre 2009 10:22 |
| | Maybe not literally from Bible, Efee.
I found only sth similar:
(Ἡ ἀγάπη)πάντα ὑπομένει 1 Cor,13,7 - Love sustains/stands/bear all.
Thanks for your opinions!!!
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| | 12 Septembre 2009 12:09 |
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