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Titolo	Segesta
Teksto Submetigx per Aneta B.	Font-lingvo: Latina lingvo Segesta est oppidum pervetus in Sicilia, iudices, quo ab Aenea fugiente a Troia atque in haec loca veniente conditum esse demonstrant. Itaque Segestiani non solum perpetua societate atque amicitia, verum etiam cognatione se cum populo Romano coniunctos esse arbitrantur. Hoc quondam oppidum, cum illa civitas cum Poenis suo nomine ac sua sponte bellaret, a Karthaginiensibus vi captum atque deletum omniaque, quae ornamento urbi esse possent, ad Karthaginem sunt ex illo deportata.
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Titolo	Segesta
Traduko Angla Tradukita per WlmShk	Cel-lingvo: Angla Segesta is a very ancient town in Sicily, O judges, which its inhabitants assert was founded by Aeneas when he was flying from Troy and coming to this country. And accordingly the Segestans think that they are connected with the Roman people, not only by a perpetual alliance and friendship, but even by some relationship. This town, as the state of the Segestans was at war with the Carthaginians on its own account and of its own accord, was formerly stormed and destroyed by the Carthaginians; and everything which could be any ornament to the city was transported from thence to Carthage.
Rimarkoj pri la traduko	http://www.uah.edu/society/texts/latin/classical/cicero/inverrems4.html#cthreethree

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- 8 Julio 2009 23:26

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		1 Julio 2009 16:04
	Aneta B. Nombro da afiŝoj: 4487	"which its inhabitants assert" --> there is a lack of this information in the Latin text. It's only speculation of English translator. "cum Poenis" was translated "with the Carthaginians", but literally should be "with Phoenitians". It's a pity, George, that you didn't translate it yourself and in a literal way. I asked for litteral translation. Anyway, thank you for a link to the English translation. It helped me a little.
		1 Julio 2009 17:52
	WlmShk Nombro da afiŝoj: 89	I am sorry it only helped you a little. I am not very good at Latin, it is true. It is true I have found the source already translated. I have checked it before posting, and it seemed OK. This is my tool for Latin, and in here it is said: Poenis (lat)= the Carthaginians (as of Phoenician origin) (eng) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Poenis&la=la What do you think, is it a good translation, or not?
		1 Julio 2009 17:03
	Aneta B. Nombro da afiŝoj: 4487	Yes, it's very good, but not literal This kind of translations are making by experts of antique culture who know better historical context, so they have rights to adding their own words translating Latin texts. Do you know what I mean? Yes, you right. Carthaginians were people of Phoenician origin, of course. I don't deny that they were. But the point is that Latin author used phrase 'cum Poenis' not 'cum Karthaginiensibus' in this part of the text, so I expected rather literal translation of it --> 'with Phoenicians' That's ok. I understand your good intentions and thanks for them.
		1 Julio 2009 17:39
	WlmShk Nombro da afiŝoj: 89	I understand your point of view, you are dissapointed. Is it possible to undo translation and allow other who is cleverer to help you with it?
		1 Julio 2009 17:57
	Aneta B. Nombro da afiŝoj: 4487	I don't know, Jurek ("Jurek" is Polish diminutive form of "Jerzy"/"George" name). Maybe it is possible...
		1 Julio 2009 17:59
	lilian canale Nombro da afiŝoj: 14972	Hi guys, I'm afraid we don't have many reliable translators of Latin who could post a better version of this text. There's no use in rejecting it. Let's try to improve it to the point of being acceptable, OK?
		1 Julio 2009 18:01
	lilian canale Nombro da afiŝoj: 14972	Latin experts, could you help us here? CC: Efylove chronotribe
		1 Julio 2009 18:17
	Aneta B. Nombro da afiŝoj: 4487	Yes, I thought the same, Lilly. But I don't want George to lose his points.
		1 Julio 2009 18:26
	WlmShk Nombro da afiŝoj: 89	Thank you for your kindness Aneta . Don't worry about points. I don't have any translation to do right now. I only wanted to help you with translation. I am sorry if it was not what you needed.
		2 Julio 2009 19:58
	Efylove Nombro da afiŝoj: 1015	"Segesta is a very ancient town in Sicily,judges, which people assert was founded by Aeneas when he was flying from Troy and coming to this country." - "demonstrant" is some kind of impersonal construction: "they/people say" = "it is said" - "iudices" is a vocative About the "cum Poenis", in my opinion, it is better to translate "with Chartaginians". Poeni/Karthaginienses are both used for the inhabitants of Karthago; but, if you translate "with Phoenicians", you create an ambiguity with the Phoenicians of the East. But, you know, I'm not for too literal translations.
		2 Julio 2009 20:11
	Aneta B. Nombro da afiŝoj: 4487	Thank you, Efylove. Yes I can agree with you about the Carthaginians, but what about a rest of the text. Could you make an literal translation all of it? I would be grateful.
		8 Julio 2009 22:09
	lilian canale Nombro da afiŝoj: 14972	Hi guys, Can we finally decide about this translation? What is the final version you all suggest? CC: Efylove
		8 Julio 2009 22:37
	Aneta B. Nombro da afiŝoj: 4487	Lilly, I don't need literal translation of the text anymore. So, I think you can accept it.