Translation - Turkish-English - "yalnÄ±zlÄ±k. her kimliÄŸe doÄŸuÅŸtan yazÄ±lÄ± tek...

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Title	"yalnÄ±zlÄ±k. her kimliÄŸe doÄŸuÅŸtan yazÄ±lÄ± tek...
Text Submitted by eymen	Source language: Turkish Sade Ã¶lÃ¼m deÄŸil, ayrÄ±lÄ±k da yaÅŸamÄ±n emri. Evet sÃ¶yledi ya da ben duydum. DuyduÄŸuma gÃ¶re elbet bir ses sÃ¶yledi bu sÃ¶ylendikÃ§e usulen sÃ¶ylenir olan sÃ¶zleri. Evet duydum,sÃ¶yledi. Her duyduÄŸumda aÄŸladÄ±m. Pek Ã§ok aÄŸlayÄ±ÅŸÄ±m sÄ±rasÄ±nda duydum. Kalbim tutanak tuttu duyduklarÄ±ma. "Soruldu" dedi, cevap alÄ±ndÄ±. "YaÅŸamak" dedi, "Tek marifetiniz, biraz Ã¶zen gÃ¶steriniz." "ZulÃ¼m kimse zalimlik yapmayÄ±nca biter, mazlumlar dahil." dedi. "Ama yapmayÄ±n, o daha bir Ã‡OCUK" dedi TanrÄ±.
Remarks about the translation	bu metin daha Ã¶nce sundugum bir metnin devamidir ceviriyi yapacak arkadaslarin metnin ilk yarisini okumasinda yarar var tesekkurler http://www.cucumis.org/tercume_12_t/ceviriyi-incele_v_243752.html

Title	Not only death, but also separation is the order of life.
Translation English Translated by Ã‡evirmen	Target language: English Not only death, but also separation is the order of life. Yes, he said, or I heard. If I heard, certainly a voice said words that are said for the sake of formality when they are said. Yes, I heard he said. I cried each time I heard the voice. I heard it many times when I cried. My heart noted what I heard. He said "it has been asked", a reply is received. He said "living, that's your sole talent, take care of it"; he said "cruelty will end when nobody persecutes anyone, including those who have been wronged". God said "but do not do that, he is still a CHILD"
Remarks about the translation	it is a philosophic text. In text, "he" refers to God. And, those who have been wronged means here people who were persecuted. - for the sake of formality: alternatively, words [b]that become some kind of formality[/b]

Validated by Lein - 27 January 2011 16:58

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	Author	Message
		20 January 2011 22:44
	merdogan Number of messages: 3769	I cried each time I heard the voice...> I cried always when I heard it.
		21 January 2011 11:15
	Lein Number of messages: 3389	Again, this doesn't change the meaning at all! But the wording is better the way Ã‡evirmen put it so I'll leave it. We don't need the literal translation per word, we need a translation that captures the correct meaning of the original.
		21 January 2011 21:41
	merdogan Number of messages: 3769	Can be but "the voice" is not in original. AGAIN, as I know we can't add new words. I am a native reader and you don't bleive me. Can I ask why ? and Why do you have a prejudice against me?
		24 January 2011 11:25
	Lein Number of messages: 3389	I believe you know what the original says; where I don't agree with you is that every word in the original must have a corresponding word in the translation. We can't add new words when that changes the meaning of the text. That is not the case here. The reason why I start getting a bit exasperated with your comments sometimes is that you keep 'correcting' translations by changing words without changing the meaning of the text. Often, there are more ways than one to say something while keeping the same meaning. An example: My friend was here. My friend said something. I heard what he said. My friend was here. He said something. I heard what he said. My friend was here. He said something. I heard him. My friend was here. He said something. I heard it. All these sentences have the same meaning. If the top one is the most literal translation, please don't try to 'correct' the fourth one if someone has used it, because the meaning is the same! I hope you see what I am trying to say...
		25 January 2011 12:59
	Lein Number of messages: 3389	Not a lot of votes... Could you look at this when you have some time please, Bilge? Thank you CC: Bilge Ertan
		25 January 2011 17:19
	Bilge Ertan Number of messages: 921	Hi Lein, I think it is not so easy but I'll try to do my best. The third sentence should be something like this: -If I heard, certainly a voice said words that become some kind of formality as/when they are said (many times) And the others: - When I cried the hardest, I heard it. => I heard it many times while crying. ( or when I cry) -He said "you asked" => He said "It has been asked " -cruelty would end if nobody persecuted anyone, including those who have been wronged => Cruelty will end/ends when nobody persecute anyone (anymore) - God said "but do not do that, it is still a CHILD => I think here we should use he instead of it. So: He's still a child. Ask me if you have some questions.
		25 January 2011 18:22
	Lein Number of messages: 3389	Thank you! Hi Ã‡evirmen Do you agree with Bilge's comments? If you are happy with them I'll edit and accept. If you don't agree, please let me know Thanks!
		27 January 2011 12:27
	Lein Number of messages: 3389	No reply from Ã‡evirmen I have edited except the line about cruelty. Do you mean the second part ('including those who have been wronged') should be deleted? Thanks again CC: Bilge Ertan
		27 January 2011 16:46
	Bilge Ertan Number of messages: 921	Hi Lein, No, it shouldn't be deleted, I just forgot to write this part of the sentence after correcting the first part. Your corrections are good. I think the translation is OK now. You are welcome
		27 January 2011 16:59
	Lein Number of messages: 3389