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Title	Segesta
Text Submitted by Aneta B.	Source language: Latinh Segesta est oppidum pervetus in Sicilia, iudices, quo ab Aenea fugiente a Troia atque in haec loca veniente conditum esse demonstrant. Itaque Segestiani non solum perpetua societate atque amicitia, verum etiam cognatione se cum populo Romano coniunctos esse arbitrantur. Hoc quondam oppidum, cum illa civitas cum Poenis suo nomine ac sua sponte bellaret, a Karthaginiensibus vi captum atque deletum omniaque, quae ornamento urbi esse possent, ad Karthaginem sunt ex illo deportata.
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Title	Segesta
Dịch English Translated by WlmShk	Target language: English Segesta is a very ancient town in Sicily, O judges, which its inhabitants assert was founded by Aeneas when he was flying from Troy and coming to this country. And accordingly the Segestans think that they are connected with the Roman people, not only by a perpetual alliance and friendship, but even by some relationship. This town, as the state of the Segestans was at war with the Carthaginians on its own account and of its own accord, was formerly stormed and destroyed by the Carthaginians; and everything which could be any ornament to the city was transported from thence to Carthage.
Remarks about the translation	http://www.uah.edu/society/texts/latin/classical/cicero/inverrems4.html#cthreethree

Validated by lilian canale

- 8 Tháng 7 2009 23:26

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	Tác giả	Bài gửi
		1 Tháng 7 2009 16:04
	Aneta B. Tổng số bài gửi: 4487	"which its inhabitants assert" --> there is a lack of this information in the Latin text. It's only speculation of English translator. "cum Poenis" was translated "with the Carthaginians", but literally should be "with Phoenitians". It's a pity, George, that you didn't translate it yourself and in a literal way. I asked for litteral translation. Anyway, thank you for a link to the English translation. It helped me a little.
		1 Tháng 7 2009 17:52
	WlmShk Tổng số bài gửi: 89	I am sorry it only helped you a little. I am not very good at Latin, it is true. It is true I have found the source already translated. I have checked it before posting, and it seemed OK. This is my tool for Latin, and in here it is said: Poenis (lat)= the Carthaginians (as of Phoenician origin) (eng) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Poenis&la=la What do you think, is it a good translation, or not?
		1 Tháng 7 2009 17:03
	Aneta B. Tổng số bài gửi: 4487	Yes, it's very good, but not literal This kind of translations are making by experts of antique culture who know better historical context, so they have rights to adding their own words translating Latin texts. Do you know what I mean? Yes, you right. Carthaginians were people of Phoenician origin, of course. I don't deny that they were. But the point is that Latin author used phrase 'cum Poenis' not 'cum Karthaginiensibus' in this part of the text, so I expected rather literal translation of it --> 'with Phoenicians' That's ok. I understand your good intentions and thanks for them.
		1 Tháng 7 2009 17:39
	WlmShk Tổng số bài gửi: 89	I understand your point of view, you are dissapointed. Is it possible to undo translation and allow other who is cleverer to help you with it?
		1 Tháng 7 2009 17:57
	Aneta B. Tổng số bài gửi: 4487	I don't know, Jurek ("Jurek" is Polish diminutive form of "Jerzy"/"George" name). Maybe it is possible...
		1 Tháng 7 2009 17:59
	lilian canale Tổng số bài gửi: 14972	Hi guys, I'm afraid we don't have many reliable translators of Latin who could post a better version of this text. There's no use in rejecting it. Let's try to improve it to the point of being acceptable, OK?
		1 Tháng 7 2009 18:01
	lilian canale Tổng số bài gửi: 14972	Latin experts, could you help us here? CC: Efylove chronotribe
		1 Tháng 7 2009 18:17
	Aneta B. Tổng số bài gửi: 4487	Yes, I thought the same, Lilly. But I don't want George to lose his points.
		1 Tháng 7 2009 18:26
	WlmShk Tổng số bài gửi: 89	Thank you for your kindness Aneta . Don't worry about points. I don't have any translation to do right now. I only wanted to help you with translation. I am sorry if it was not what you needed.
		2 Tháng 7 2009 19:58
	Efylove Tổng số bài gửi: 1015	"Segesta is a very ancient town in Sicily,judges, which people assert was founded by Aeneas when he was flying from Troy and coming to this country." - "demonstrant" is some kind of impersonal construction: "they/people say" = "it is said" - "iudices" is a vocative About the "cum Poenis", in my opinion, it is better to translate "with Chartaginians". Poeni/Karthaginienses are both used for the inhabitants of Karthago; but, if you translate "with Phoenicians", you create an ambiguity with the Phoenicians of the East. But, you know, I'm not for too literal translations.
		2 Tháng 7 2009 20:11
	Aneta B. Tổng số bài gửi: 4487	Thank you, Efylove. Yes I can agree with you about the Carthaginians, but what about a rest of the text. Could you make an literal translation all of it? I would be grateful.
		8 Tháng 7 2009 22:09
	lilian canale Tổng số bài gửi: 14972	Hi guys, Can we finally decide about this translation? What is the final version you all suggest? CC: Efylove
		8 Tháng 7 2009 22:37
	Aneta B. Tổng số bài gửi: 4487	Lilly, I don't need literal translation of the text anymore. So, I think you can accept it.