Translation - Icelandic-English

	Author	Message
		22 November 2008 12:33
	Anna_Louise Number of messages: 23	sjÃ¡lfsprottnari does not mean self-portraits.... self-portraits is sjÃ¡lfsmynd. also missing "in the beginning of the ... deceade" powerful = krÃ¶ftug - krÃ¶ftugri = more powerful is it really possible to say "is underlying no daylight" ? orÃ°na og Ã³rÃ°na does not mean order and disorder. It means "that has been and that that has yet to become"
		22 November 2008 13:56
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Thanks a lot Anna Louise! My understanding of Icelandic is far from perfect, I'm learning, and I think this was a too "heavy" translation to do. Maybe it's better to write "is all in darkness" than "is underlying no daylight"? Lilian, I think I can do some edits here, but I don't have a clue what "sjÃ¡lfsprottnari" is ... sorry. Reject it if you have to.
		23 November 2008 14:25
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Hello Lilian I've done some "research" to find the meaning for that word: sjÃ¡lfsprottnari, but I can't find it! It might have to do with landscape paintings?? Should I do the other edits? CC: lilian canale
		23 November 2008 14:53
	lilian canale Number of messages: 14972	Perhaps Anna_Louise will be so kind and give us the meaning of that weird word. For the other edits, feel free to make them. CC: Anna_Louise
		30 November 2008 08:47
	pias Number of messages: 8113	I think you can reject my translation Lilian, I've searched the WHOLE net and can't find that word explained, sorry!
		30 November 2008 11:20
	lilian canale Number of messages: 14972	Reject? why? We may get some help from the other experts. Hey guys, could you throw some light on this translation? CC: Anna_Louise Bamsa Eggert
		30 November 2008 12:40
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Ok
		30 November 2008 22:45
	itsatrap100 Number of messages: 279	I'd just like to say thank you Pias for the translation, it is obviously a difficult text. I think I found a translation for sjÃ¡lfsprottnari, it is "self-hewn" or "self-sown".
		2 December 2008 17:36
	pias Number of messages: 8113	You are welcome itsatrap100! That's very good you found the word yourself. Lilian, shall I edit according to itsatraps research?
		3 December 2008 14:19
	itsatrap100 Number of messages: 279	Actually I found a form that was similar in an online Icelandic-English dictionary, and I'm still not sure what this word means, but I'm pretty sure sprottnari is a from of spretta, it's that final "i" that makes it strange. If somebody is interested, an online and downloadable copy of Cleasby-Vigfusson Icelandic-English dictionary can be found at http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/texts/oi_cleasbyvigfusson_about.html There are some other resources of older and less used languages at that site as well.
		3 December 2008 17:20
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Thanks for the link, there are not many good Icelandic dict. online, at least ...I can't find them. Do you mean the verb "spretta"? ( jump, grow)
		3 December 2008 20:22
	itsatrap100 Number of messages: 279	Yes, the last entry under the verb spretta, in Cleasby-Vigfusson, is sprottnar, to grow, as in English, to grow good crops, but the other meanings of the verb spretta of "spring" and "start" imply some kind of spontaneous, or accidental meaning, so in combination with the other meanings, I think it means "self-sown".
		6 December 2008 12:06
	lilian canale Number of messages: 14972	OK Pia, let's decide what the final version will be. Will you make any edits?
		6 December 2008 13:02
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Oh, I'm not sure about how to do, the poll thinks "self portraits" is right. I never heard of "self-sown methods". What do you suggest Lilian?
		6 December 2008 13:22
	lilian canale Number of messages: 14972	Well...I guess since this is a "MO" request we can accept it the way it is.
		6 December 2008 13:24
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Ok, thanks!
		7 December 2008 01:26
	Anna_Louise Number of messages: 23	"it's that final "i" that makes it strange!" Just a little comment on that - the final "i" is not strange at all. Like most icelandic adjectives "ari" at the end indicates more ... sjÃ¡lfsprottin - sjÃ¡lfsprottnari - sjÃ¡lfsprottnust sÃ¦t - sÃ¦tari - sÃ¦tust cute - cuter - cutest
		7 December 2008 08:53
	pias Number of messages: 8113	Thanks a lot for the explanation Anna_Louise, I found the un declined adjective now! It's the same pattern in Swedish. sÃ¶t -sÃ¶tare -sÃ¶tast Lilian, sorry for regret, but itsatrap is SO RIGHT about that word "self-sown" or maybe one could write "spontaneous" ?
		7 December 2008 12:06
	lilian canale Number of messages: 14972	What do you think Anna? Which one would fit better?
		26 December 2008 15:11
	Anna_Louise Number of messages: 23	Sorry for the late reply, I've been crazy busy. Spontaneous is more like "hvatvÃsi" but self-sown is more fitting, although it's just not right... It's a tough word ;P

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