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| | 23 oktober 2007 14:37 |
| | This is the head line of a page in a magazine.
The rest of the text gives no context to it. |
| | 23 oktober 2007 16:23 |
| | At the rejected translation here, Freya said the last "party" was in the plural form...?
And she said there was no verb: is that because Headline Format in Finnish does not need a verb?
And the English headline would read:
Tarja charms ambassador at celebrations? CC: GislaineB |
| | 23 oktober 2007 17:24 |
| FreyaAantal berichten: 1910 | Now I remember another thing... "suurlähettilään" can be also accusative (in Finnish this cases get confused because they have the same terminations: n-accusative, the t-accusative and no termination accusative).That means it isn't with the "of the" in front...sorry.(I only started Finnish 4 months ago).And yes, could be that headlines don't need verbs...your idea is good, Ian .
And another thing...it is about verb "hurmata" and it is past tense "hurmasin" (i charmed),"hurmasit"(you charmed),"hurmasi" (She/he charmed) so it has a verb...my mistake(i thought it's about the noun "hurma"(charm) + suffix "si"
Oh my God..I'm so ashamed...I won't give any more indications from Finnish texts...but the "juhlissa" thing I got it right, is plural look here |
| | 23 oktober 2007 17:27 |
| FreyaAantal berichten: 1910 | Sorry everyone... |
| | 24 oktober 2007 04:14 |
| FreyaAantal berichten: 1910 | And a last post on this topic, I would like to explain, if I may, the last word "juhlissa". I think houtari is right by writting "party".
As in other languages, in Finnish too are words that have a plural form, but represent singular words.(e.g. scissors, trousers). In Finnish words like "sakset"(scissors),"housut"(pants),"silmälasit"(glasses) have a plural form but represent singular objects
and they are used only at singular). Maybe "juhlat", although it has a plural form could mean "celebration", "party", "festival". |
| | 24 oktober 2007 04:33 |
| | Thanks, Freya!
Don't apologize! Without your explanations, I would understand nothing here!
So:
Tarja,
(she) charmed (not you)
the ambassador (accusative, so the ambassador was charmed by Tarja, i.e. he is the object of her charming)
at the celebrations (English is ambiguous here; it can mean one party or many! Ha ha!)
So 1+1+1+1=4
Tarja charmed the ambassador at the celebrations!
Great!
Thanks, Freya! You've been very helpful!
CC: Freya |
| | 25 oktober 2007 11:14 |
| | That was my first impression too, but no, it is not correct. I have checked and google found the title from hs.fi informing that it was question of a summer party organised by the German Embassy.
The news was published in Ilta-Sanomat on June 20, 2007.
This should be corrected to =>
Tarja charmed at the Ambassador's party.
The context would have been helpful in the first place. It really seems to be Tarja Turunen and she charmed (everybody?). (Don't worry about the plural, that is only the way to say it in finnish, the english use "party" in singular). Sorry all, I have been on holiday... |
| | 25 oktober 2007 13:22 |
| | Hi Maribel, welcome back from your holiday!
Thank you for your excellent, helpful information: you saved this translation!
In English, we can't use the transitive verb "charmed" without an object, so could we say:
Tarja Charms All at the Ambassador's Party
(usually English headlines are written in the present tense, even though the information they contain is already past)
or can you think of another way to say it?
CC: Maribel |
| | 7 november 2007 09:04 |
| | Hi Ian,
your phrase is perfect |
| | 10 november 2007 04:35 |
| | Hello, houtari!
I have changed the translation as per Maribel's suggestion, and put your original translation in the Remarks section as an alternative. Is this okay? |