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de sekeras itu kah hati k3 mu .dia ga mau dgr aq dn dia ga mau menjlaskn pdlk . skrngpun dia dah ga mau bcr pdlku
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Your brother is so obstinate. He doesn't want to listen to me and he doesn't want to explain to me. Now he doesn't even want to talk to me.
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2 Сентябрь 2009 02:02

lilian canale
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Hi gbernsdorff,

...he doesn't want to explain (what?)

2 Сентябрь 2009 23:24

gbernsdorff
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That is not clear. Menjelaskan is the verb. *pdlk* must be the direct object, if any. I have encountered that once as an abbreviation for *perjalanan dinas luar kota* [out of town duty trip], but I can't be sure.

2 Сентябрь 2009 23:51

lilian canale
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Perhaps "explain himself'?

3 Сентябрь 2009 23:51

gbernsdorff
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You are suggesting *to explain* in the sense of *to account for something/to justify oneself*. That is one possible interpretation, but the text doesn't say so, for that would be *menjelaskan diri sendiri*. I don't see how that could be abbreviated to pdlk.

3 Сентябрь 2009 23:54

lilian canale
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In your opinion, in what sense is 'explain' used here?

4 Сентябрь 2009 21:47

gbernsdorff
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One of two possibilities. Either, as you suggested, explain oneself/justify oneself, or answer a specific question which has been asked before and therefore is known to the addressee. Yet another possibility would be that *pdlk* is a typo for *pdk* [l and k are next to each other on the keyboard!], in which case it would mean menjelaskan padaku/explain to me. *pdk* is quite frequent as an abbreviation in Malay textese. - Yes indeed, that may be the best option. I see that I even interpreted the last word (pdlku) as *padaku/to me*. Should have thought of that before! I have changed the translation accordingly.

4 Сентябрь 2009 23:11

lilian canale
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OK, but that doesn't solve the problem of the missing direct object yet.
We still don't know 'what' is not explained.

4 Сентябрь 2009 23:57

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Do we need to know ? If we take it that pdlk means "to me" there really is no other indication in the Malay text as to what he doesn't want to explain. Is that a problem ? Both Malay 'menjelaskan' and English 'to explain' can be used as intransitive verbs i.e. without a direct object. É parecido em português não é? Podemos dizer 'Prefiro não explicar.' sem acrescentar o que já se sabe. Ou será que me engano?
Regards, Guido

5 Сентябрь 2009 00:16

lilian canale
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'explain' as intransitive verb implies 'explain oneself', otherwise, it is transitive.
You could use it that way, but then it should read:
"He doesn't want to listen to me or explain himself"

What do you think?

5 Сентябрь 2009 00:19

s,lm
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Thank you all
But I am really quite ignorant of the Malay language


5 Сентябрь 2009 10:38

gbernsdorff
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Once we have decided that pdlk must be padaku i.e. an indirect object, there is no other word or abbreviation that could function as a direct object. Intransitiviy can be made explicit by saying menjelaskan diri sendiri/explain himself. Transitivity can be made explicit by attaching
-nya (menjelaskannya/explain it). The Malay text does neither, it gives us no clue as to the (in)transitivity of the verb. The English translation should leave that question open too, hence: we leave it as it is, we do not add either the reflexive pronoun nor a direct object.