Oversættelse - Latin-Engelsk - Duabus his artibus, audacia in bello, ubi pax...

Hi Aneta,
I know translating Latin is not easy, but this text is a bit hard to understand

Could you explain the meaning in different words so that I can figure out how to put it in English?

Well, the Latin text isn't difficult at all. I'd say it is quite easy one. I must have been drunken while translating it!!! Hehehe... (Joke) But, I would translate it in other way today...

Moreover, as you know, my English isn't so perfect as yours and this is why you couldn't understand this translation... Let me try again, Lilly, and please help me to improve it:

With these two features, the courage during war, thanks to which the peace had appeared, and with the justice, they cared about themselves and the state.

Since the health disappeared (=Since I got ill), engage me in literature, either I write or I read. These ones also arrive, who listen to me like to the learned man, because I am Paul like their master. That is why the whole time is given to my body(= I'm spending all my time on caring my body).

Is it better now?

Let's see if I understood...

With these two features, courage during war, thanks to which peace was reached, and justice, they took care of themselves and of the state.

Since my health deteriorated, I've engaged in literature, by either writing or reading.

Now, I don't understand this line: "These ones also arrive, who listen to me like to the learned man, because I am Paul like their master".

These ones? arrive? learned man?

the end I understand as:
" That is why I devote my whole time to my body."

Are we in the right way?

We are in the very close way to understand...

I've engaged in literature - is not right, because in the text is imperative..."let me devote to literature" (the first version) or "engage me in literature" (the second one)... I'm not able to make up any other version, I am sorry, Lilly...

"These ones also arrive, who listen to me like to the learned man, because I am Paul like their master".
= Some people comes to me and they listen to me (carefully) like I was very educated men, because I am Paul, like their master.

-->This place is a little weird indeed, even in Latin, but unfortunately I don't know the context...

With these two features, courage during war, thanks to which peace was reached, and justice, they took care of themselves and of the state.

Since my health deteriorated, I'd better engage in literature, by either writing or reading.
Some come and listen to me as if I was a cultured man, because I am Paul like their master.
That is why I devote my whole time to my body.

And now? what do you think?

Great, Lilly! That's it! Thank youuuuuuu!!!

"courage during war (and), when peace was reached, justice" ---> I think the author want to say something like "courage during war, justice during peace"

"quia Paulo sum quam ipsi doctor" ----> this sentence is weird!

Hi Efylove, your understanding of that first line makes more sense to me.
Aneta, do you agree with her version?
About that line of Paulo, it is weird, indeed

CC: Efylove

Yes it makes sens! Grammatically both versions are possible I guess, because "ubi" has a lot of meanings... But I prefer Efee's interpretation!

Edited!

Thank you Lilly and Efee! I like our cooperation so much!

But why "once peace was reached"...? I think Efee's version is better...

I think the solution is in Cicero, Epistula ad familiares 9.20:
"ubi salutatio defluxit in litteris me involvo"
"quasi doctum hominem quia paulo sum quam ipsi doctior" ("because I am a bit more cultured than they are".
The requester, probably, badly typed some words.

Yes, of course! "Paulo" couldn't be English name "Paul", because if it was, it would be typed in this way: "Paulus sum..."


Thank you, Efee!!!

Well ladies...what would the final version be, then?

CC: Efylove

Well, I think this version will be right:

With these two features, courage during war and justice, when peace was reached, they took care of themselves and of the state.

Since my health deteriorated, I'd better engage in literature, by either writing or reading.
Some come and listen to me like to cultured man, because I am a bit more educated than they are.
That is why I devote my whole time to my body.

But we should edit also the request a bit, according to Efylove's searching results:

"quasi doctum hominem, quia Paulo sum quam ipsi doctor".

--> quasi doctum hominem quia paulo sum quam ipsi doctior.

Efylove, do you agree with this final version?

BTW, Aneta, what is the problem with "once peace was reached"?
once = as soon as; if ever; when

I agree!

Well, actually nothing wrong with "once", but it has to many meanings (one time, some time in the past...) and can be a little confusing for some readers... That's my opinion, but you are the expert, Lilly, and I believe you too... So, do what you think...

It wouldn't be confusing for a native speaker.
Never mind, it's just a detail.
I'll accept this version then.

Thank you, Lilly, for your help. I really improve my English thanks to you...
Thanks also to you, Efee!