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Kichwa	Ovidiu
Nakala Tafsiri iliombwa na laura_fierascu	Lugha ya kimaumbile: Kilatini Sed trahit invitam nova vis; aliudque cupido Mens aliud suadet. Video meliora, proboque Deteriora sequor. Quid in hospite regia virgo, Ureris? Et thalamos alieni concipis orbis?
Maelezo kwa mfasiri	Incerc sa inteleg sensul pentru o prezentare despre cultura organizationala si cum oamenii desi stiu ce ar trebui sa faca, fac tot ceea ce nu trebuie. Am tot gasit citatul asta de fiecare data cand era vorba despre asta. Multumesc!

Kichwa	Ovid
Tafsiri Kiingereza Ilitafsiriwa na Martijn	Lugha inayolengwa: Kiingereza But a new force drags me unwillingly; and my desire [advises] the one thing, my mind advises the other. I see the better ones and approve of them, I follow the worse. Why have you fallen in love with a stranger, royal virgin, and do you imagine a wedding in a foreign world?
Maelezo kwa mfasiri	Ureris = 'are you ignited due to' I've translated it metaforically as 'have you fallen in love with' Thalamos = 'wedding beds' which I translated as 'a wedding' (metonymical)

Ilisahihishwa au kuhaririwa mwisho na lilian canale

- 24 Mei 2009 18:52

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	Mwandishi	Ujumbe
		23 Mei 2009 13:14
	Aneta B. Idadi ya ujumbe: 4487	I'm not sure the beginning is right:'But a new force drags me involuntarily". I'd rather translate 'I'm attracted by a new power to life'...
		23 Mei 2009 16:44
	Efylove Idadi ya ujumbe: 1015	I don't see "involuntarily" in Latin: it should be "a new force drags me to life" (in vitam).
		23 Mei 2009 23:12
	Martijn Idadi ya ujumbe: 210	Oh I'm sorry. Right now I am studying this text for my Final Exam in Latin this Monday. The version in my book and study material (which I believe is the original text by Ovid) says 'invitam' in stead of 'in vitam'. 'Invitam' agreeing with a left out 'me (latin)' (= Medea, who is saying this to herself), meaning involuntarily, unwillingly. The original text can also be read online in the Latin Library, Ovid, Metamorphoses, Liber VII, verse 19-22 So you could either translate the requested version, or correct the request to the original meaning (not that Latin used spaces :P). I don't know what's best. I hope I could help, Martijn
		23 Mei 2009 23:16
	lilian canale Idadi ya ujumbe: 14972	Oh...in that case I think we should correct the request and keep your first version (with "involuntarily" ), Martijn. What do you girls think? CC: Aneta B. Efylove
		24 Mei 2009 00:24
	Aneta B. Idadi ya ujumbe: 4487	Well, "Invite" = unwilingly. "invitam" is the same?
		24 Mei 2009 00:30
	Martijn Idadi ya ujumbe: 210	Invitam is the female accusative singular form of the adjective invitus, a, um. 'Invite' would be an adverb, but 'invitam' agrees with 'me [trahit]' which is left out. In this part of the story princess Medea falls in love with the hero Iason, who is coming with his Argonautae to conquer the 'Phrixea vellera'. The king owns this golden skin and gives Iason three (rather impossible) tasks to complete: taming fire breathing bulls, defeating warriors born from the earth from the teeth of the dragon Cadmus once slew, and getting past the never sleeping dragon that guards the treasure. So as you can imagine, Medea shouldn't care about Iason, but she is attracted to this stranger and decides to help him. In these sentences she acknowledges it is love and desire that confuses her and these are in conflict with her better judgement, duty and shame. She is in love and can't help thinking about treason, so this 'new force' [love] is dragging her 'unwillingly/involuntarily' Maybe this little summary helps you understand =]
		24 Mei 2009 00:44
	Aneta B. Idadi ya ujumbe: 4487	Maybe: New force drags her unapproachable [woman]? What do you thing?
		24 Mei 2009 08:58
	Efylove Idadi ya ujumbe: 1015	I think we should change the original text with the translation: "A new force drags her unwillingly". I think it works!
		24 Mei 2009 14:33
	lilian canale Idadi ya ujumbe: 14972	Martijn?
		24 Mei 2009 14:46
	Martijn Idadi ya ujumbe: 210	Oh yes, of course I agree with my original translation involuntarily/unwillingly. The latter sounds best I think
		24 Mei 2009 15:49
	Martijn Idadi ya ujumbe: 210	Lilian, You've made a little mistake editing. It should be 'drags me' in stead of 'drags her' in the first line.
		24 Mei 2009 16:15
	lilian canale Idadi ya ujumbe: 14972	"drags her" was in Efylove's post Fixed now.
		24 Mei 2009 16:17
	Martijn Idadi ya ujumbe: 210	Ah I see Thank you