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Originalo kalba: Švedų

Annater ("årspengar" av lat. annus "år") kallades en avgift som betalades till den romerska kurian av den som erhöll ett kyrkligt ämbete.
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Al traducir este texto usando wikipedia y por gráficos y dibujos, pude entender que "romerska kurian" significa imperio romano, pero de lo demás no tengo idea porque en wikipedia no dicen en español de que idioma se trata; y este es el peor dilema. Quisiera saber lo que significa porque mi hijo soñó con esa palabra y le llamó mucho la atención. También lo pueden traducir al inglés británico o americano porque tengo amigos que me pueden ayudar con ese idioma. Muchas gracias de antemano.

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Annater ("year's money" from latin annus "year")
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Kalba, į kurią verčiama: Anglų

Annater ("year's money" from latin annus "year") was the name of a charge that was paid to the Roman Curia by the one who was designated for a church's official position.
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17 gruodis 2007 18:25

Bamsa
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I would like to make some observations:

"av den" means "by the one" and not "by those", Can not be translated by plural, because "den" reffers to the singular. Than it should has been "de" in the Sweedish text.

ecclesiastical means, according to Oxford dictionary, "relating to the Christian Church or its clergy" or Romans were not Christian, so, in my opinion, the word is incorrectly used. More correct would be "relligious official position".

Than "erhöll" means "to receive" or "to get" and it has been translated by "had", which is, again, not 100% correct.

CC: pias

17 gruodis 2007 18:28

casper tavernello
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"By the one" or "by those" have the same effect here.
I'm trying not to make literal translations.

This is a tax from the XV century, not from antient Rome.

Kyrka = church.

CC: Bamsa

17 gruodis 2007 18:31

Bamsa
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OK, my mistake there, the original text did write "Roman", this creates confusions. What about "erhøll"?

kyrkligt = relligious and, by the way, we have almost the same word in Faroese.

17 gruodis 2007 18:43

casper tavernello
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Wow. That was my HUGE mistake.
Thank you for pointing me this one (erhöll), Bamsa.

And yes, you are right about kyrkligt=religius, but you can see that it's an adjective for "church", like "churchy".

17 gruodis 2007 18:47

pias
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Casper,
1. Bamsa is right, this IS singular , den = "by the one..."

2. About the meaning of ecclesiastical.. I think he is right about it and maybe you should use a more neutral word for "kyrkligt ämbete", religious official position or church's official position.

3. This is not about tax, just a charge or a fee.

17 gruodis 2007 18:49

casper tavernello
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Ok, ok, I will change 6 for six.

17 gruodis 2007 19:29

pias
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Casper,
according to (the best dictionary!!)wiki "kyrkligt ämbete"
is the same as Patriark = Patriarch
maybe you could use that word...

21 gruodis 2007 23:58

casper tavernello
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NO Pia. There it's like an explanation, like
Patriark (kyrkligt ämbete)
Elephant (animal)

Because there can be more than one arcticle with the same name.
Patriarch can't be applied here.
Anyway, thank you.

17 gruodis 2007 19:56

pias
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yes..you are right...

after many hours today in front of the computer, my brain is not 'with me'

17 gruodis 2007 19:58

casper tavernello
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Yeah.
I know what is it like.

19 gruodis 2007 21:05

gabyvirtual
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Hola otra vez, estoy leyendo la argumentación que tuviste con Pias y Bamsa sobre mi texto, y me encantaría saber, en español, de qué se trató. ¿A qué conclusión llegaron?. ¿La Curia Romana es la iglesia romana?. ¿El pago es un impuesto?. ¿Quién le paga a quién, la curia al que va a trabajar en la iglesia o el que trabaja en la iglesia a la curia?. Por favor, aclara mis dudas.

19 gruodis 2007 21:15

pias
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Hi gabyvirtual,
please write in english..
I don't understand.

21 gruodis 2007 14:04

gabyvirtual
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Hi Pias, excuse me but my english is so bad, i have friends that help me to understand it, that is the reason (¿?) because i said that i understand english. Excuse me if you do not understand my english or my spanish

21 gruodis 2007 14:10

gabyvirtual
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But that is not a problem to me understand you sometimes, some words. (again excuse my english)

21 gruodis 2007 14:16

pias
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It's ok gabyvirtual
and beside, I don't understand Spanish..
I was just curious about what you wrote, if you thought that something in the translation was wrong or similar.

21 gruodis 2007 14:38

gabyvirtual
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sorry, but your english is over me (¿?). I need somebody read it for me

21 gruodis 2007 14:46

pias
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Hi guilon or Lila F.
Please could some of you bridge the message sent
21 December 2007 14:16 to Spanish.
gabyvirtual don't understand what I try to say...

..some points for your help!



CC: guilon Lila F.