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| | 30 Giugno 2008 01:09 |
| | That sounds better.
What do you think Kafetzou? |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 03:15 |
| | It sounds better, but still awkward. What's wrong with my version?
They are what is making me cry already, those memories. |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 03:49 |
| handyyNumero di messaggi: 2118 | The subject is "beni aÄŸlatan (ÅŸey)", but according to your version the subject becomes "onlar". |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 03:54 |
| | OK, so let's set a poll and see if the other users have some ideas. |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 05:48 |
| | How about "What is making me cry is those memories"? I don't understand "onlar anılar" anyway - "o anılar" daha iyi olmaz mıydı? |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 16:26 |
| kfetoNumero di messaggi: 953 | i'd use "it will come" and
"it's them, that make me cry, the ..." or kafetzous suggestion except with 'are' ofcourse
i think a comma is missing between the onlar anılar |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 18:08 |
| handyyNumero di messaggi: 2118 | Kafetzou, if we say ""What is making me cry is those memories.", then, the meaning "already" is lacking there.
Kfeto, in the first sentence present simple is used, not future tense, so we can't say "It will come". |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 18:42 |
| | How about "What is already making me cry is those memories"?
And handyy, kfeto may be right. We often use future tense to describe something that is expected to happen, and is expressed with present tense in Turkish (and other languages). What we don't know for sure here is whether the writer is describing something that happens regularly (simple present tense) or something that is likely to happen (future tense).
So the whole thing would be as follows:
All of a sudden it'll come back to my mind in a flash at a completely unexpected moment.
The memories don't leave me. What is already making me cry is those memories. |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 18:44 |
| | Lilian, I hope you don't mind, but I'm taking over this one. I'll re-set the poll, although my feeling is that it's done. |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 18:56 |
| kfetoNumero di messaggi: 953 | shouldn't the last 'is' be 'are'? i'm not sure myself |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 19:07 |
| | No, because the subject is "what", and it was treated earlier in the sentence as singular. It could be "What are ... are ...," but I think that would sound a bit awkward. |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 19:41 |
| handyyNumero di messaggi: 2118 | Here we go to the beginning.
--At first you didn't accept "What is making me cry is already them, the memories" because of "the singular subject and the plural predicate". but now you do the same thing.
--First sentence is already happening. it is definetely not about future. |
| | 30 Giugno 2008 19:40 |
| handyyNumero di messaggi: 2118 | The speaker intentionally says "..onlar, (yani) anılar" so why do we omit one of them?? |
| | 1 Luglio 2008 03:54 |
| | Hmm. Good point. I'm just trying to make it sound more English. "them, the memories" sounds downright weird in English, but I will change it back if you would prefer. |
| | 1 Luglio 2008 23:22 |
| handyyNumero di messaggi: 2118 | Kafetzou, now this translation is exactly correct. thank you so much for your efforts. |
| | 1 Luglio 2008 23:57 |
| kfetoNumero di messaggi: 953 | hmm kafetzou,
singular 'what' is the subject of the first verb that is 'is'= "What is making me cry"
the subject of the second 'is' is 'those memories' which is plural, so 'are' should be used
sentence is just inverted= those memories are /what is making me cry/ |
| | 2 Luglio 2008 17:20 |
| | I agree kfeto "........are those memories " |
| | 2 Luglio 2008 19:56 |
| | Sorry, guys, but you're wrong about that. The subject is still "what".
(What I want to say) is this.
(What is bothering me) is the following.
(What is making me sneeze) is the flowers. |
| | 3 Luglio 2008 22:01 |
| kfetoNumero di messaggi: 953 | nope, i still think it's "are", but ok |
| | 3 Luglio 2008 22:55 |
| | You're welcome to think that. |