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翻译 - 德语-英语 - Vollständig mit traditionellen Chorälen...当前状态 翻译
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讨论区 灌水 - 艺术 / 创作 / 想象  本翻译"仅需意译"。 | Vollständig mit traditionellen Chorälen... | | 源语言: 德语
(144) Vollständig mit traditionellen Chorälen übereinstimmende Zeilen im Choralhaften sind jedoch selten und dann wenig charakteristisch, indem sie in mehreren Chorälen vorkommen und als Floskeln des Choralidioms gelten können oder allgemein hymnischen Charakter haben. Der "Choral" aus der Klavierfuge e-Moll op.35/1 dient hier als Beispiel, da er allgemein als besonders konkret in seinen Anklängen gilt. Immer wieder wird versucht, die einzelnen Zeilen auf traditionelle Choräle zu beziehen [35]. Allerdings sind sowohl die als konkret angesehenen Anklänge als auch die Rückführung auf ein Modell nicht ohne Weiteres haltbar und wesentlich weniger plausibel als behauptet. "Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott" als Vorbild anzuführen, ist zwar durch die beiden melodisch ähnlichen Kurzzeilen und die übereinstimmende Schlusszeile überaus suggestiv [36]. Die einzelnen Zeilen koenen jedoch ohne Weiteres mit unterschiedlichen sogar der gaegigsten Choräle in Zusammenheng (145) gebracht werden (vgl. NB 36). |
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(144) However, lines in "choralhaften" that correspond completely with traditional chorales are rare and not very characteristic, whereas they do occur in several chorales and can be regarded as common expressions in the choral language or have a general hymnic character. The "Choral" from the piano fugue in e minor op.35/1 serves as an example here, since its harmonies are generally considered to be particularly concrete. Again and again attempts are made to attribute the individual lines to traditional chorales [35]. However both the harmonies which are regarded as concrete ones, and the tracing back to a model can not be maintained without difficulty and are substantially less plausible than stated. To take "Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott" as an example is especially suggestive because of the two melodically similar short lines and the corresponding final line [36]. However, the individual lines can easily be connected with even the most common corales (145) (cf NB 36). | | As far as I can see, choralhaften (adj) is mostly used to refer to choral-like works; however when it comes to the works of Mendelssohn, the word seems to be used as a noun to refer to a category of choral-like work that looks to me to be specific for the composer. |
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2008年 八月 18日 11:17 | | | Just out of interest, Milkman - why do you need these texts about Mendelssohn? Just curious!  | | |
2008年 八月 26日 07:13 | | | I believe "Anklänge" should be translated as "harmonies" in this context.
"Choral", being an adjective, cannot be used as a noun. The correct noun is "chorale".
Also, "cf." is the English counterpart for "vgl." | | |
2008年 八月 26日 10:47 | | | I'm not sure about "harmonies" but you may be right there.
As for chorale, my mistake, you are absolutely right (Lilian, tell me if and when I should change it please as I see it's being evaluated).
As far as I'm concerned, 'cf' and 'see' have roughly the same meaning here so I don't mind - I can change it if you prefer. | | |
2008年 八月 26日 17:42 | | | How Shaneeae says, vgl. means cf.. | | |
2008年 八月 30日 19:33 | | | Ok Lein,
Have you made all the changes you intended to?
If so, I think we can validate this one. | | |
2008年 八月 31日 23:39 | | | There are still some things I think should be adjusted.
hymnical 
hymnal 
e-flat minor
E minor
gängstigen:
varied
common
vgl. = vergleiche = cf. (i.e. compare)
not 'see'
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2008年 九月 1日 10:44 | | | A hymnal is a book containing hymns; hymnical is an adjective.
e-Moll is not the same note as e, but half a note below it so e flat.
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2008年 九月 1日 10:47 | | | Go ahead Lilian, I've incorporated Shaneeae's suggestions as well. Thank you, shaneeae and jollyo! | | |
2008年 九月 1日 11:57 | | | Lein,
I agree that a hymnal is a songbook of hymns. It also actually is the adjective!
(see http://www.dict.cc/?s=hymnal%3B and of course our famous Van Dale dictionary)
Same goes for e-flat minor vs. E minor
see http://www.dict.cc/?s=e+flat
and http://www.dict.cc/?s=e%2FMoll
In English vs. Dutch vs. German:
e-flat minor Es mineur e-Moll
E minor E mineur (ookwel e) es-Moll
Please check once again!
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2008年 九月 1日 12:11 | | | Ah, ok, changed e-flat to e and hymnical to hymnic. | | |
2008年 九月 2日 19:10 | | | | | |
2008年 九月 2日 19:15 | | | | | |
2008年 九月 2日 21:56 | | | Likewise!
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2008年 十月 16日 17:15 | | | Hey everybody,
Although this one is long approved I cannot state enough how much you're all have been so helpful!
You just don't know how much it helps my research.
Thank you
 CC: lilian canale | | |
2008年 十月 16日 17:18 | | | |
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