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| | 2008年 6月 25日 03:17 |
| | Why "that" English and "that" America?
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| | 2008年 6月 25日 12:49 |
| | I don't now, but the requester says so |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 18:36 |
| | Well, I think we will have to adapt it a bit. It sounds terrible in English.
What about:
"I am going to learn the English language, then just to defy you I am going to America and miss you greatly.
Although I will miss you, I am going to make my dreams come true." |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 18:44 |
| | Ok, I'll edit "that"s!
but, in the text he means to say "The one whom I will miss much will be just you", so ıf we say "I'll miss you greatly", will they have same sense? |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 18:53 |
| | "..miss you at the utmost"-- what about that?? |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 18:55 |
| | So, I think it could be: "...miss especially you" |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 19:32 |
| | ok |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 21:29 |
| | "O" means "that".
He wants to say "I will learn to speak with you only this language not another. |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 21:50 |
| | Merdogan, did you mean to say "I will learn only English to speak with you." ??
pardon me but, there is not such a sentence that implies he wanna learn English to be able to speak with her or someone else. on the contrary, JUST TO DEFY THAT PERSON he wants to learn English for going to America.
hey I couldnt understand what you meant |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 21:52 |
| | Yes,he wants to learn only English because he thinks that to learn English is very difficult there for he wants to go America.
on the other side if somebody loves ,can make everthing. |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 22:09 |
| | from where did you get all of these information? |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 22:47 |
| | Please, look at Year of mybirth. |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 23:06 |
| | Merdogan, I respect your experiences and knowledge, but we cannot translate any text according to our own ideas, knowledge, etc.
here in the text, there is not any information such as what you have counted. is there? |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 23:26 |
| | yes there is and it is "O".
if we translate as you did ,it is ok.
But the meaning isn't complate.I suppose we have to think why he used "O".if not ,it will be only a straight translation.I mean we also have to give in the worts the meaning of his feeling. |
| | 2008年 6月 26日 23:52 |
| | Merdogan, I also know that there is a word "O". but just because of that word you claim that ı should have written: "I will learn only English to speak with you." there is not such an information in the text! |
| | 2008年 6月 27日 00:32 |
| | Canım (Dear) handyy,
I thing that he is angry for himself because he can not speak English and he also says "I will learn this English in America". He wants to say that he will spend a lot of Money for learning English in America.
I didn't claim your legend .I only wanted to give some feeling.
at least you are better than me in English and I am very glad for this. |
| | 2008年 6月 27日 00:58 |
| | Dear Merdogan
Your claims may be true, but I couldn't write these in the translation. let's make a deal for this point, ok?
annnddd, if you try to say "handyy, you should decidedly use "that" or "this" there"... well, I translated as "that English", "that America", but Lilian, an English expert and maybe an English native speaker, said that it sounds very bad in English, so I deleted it.
consequently, what else can I do to give the meaning of "O" -- except for the information which doesn't exist in the text-- ??
and finally, thank you so much for your compliment, but believe me I am no better than anyone at .. I am still learning, and finding out new things about English day by day. |
| | 2008年 6月 27日 01:32 |
| | Dear handyy,
I beg your pardon but it is in text as "O Ä°ngilizce" and as " O Amerika".
As you say ,lilian is our English expert but she don't know Turkish,there for she puts in poll .
This is my last conception.
I also try to learn like everybody. |
| | 2008年 6月 27日 01:52 |
| | Hey guys! Calm down!
I have been reading attentively your thread and I feel we have to reach an agreement on that issue.
When I said that using "that English" and "that America" sounds bad in English I meant that it sounds like the speaker is scorning, desdaining about both English and America, and of course that can't sound well, don't you think?
The feeling is that he would be saying something like "I'm going to learn that (damned ) English and....going to that (infernal ) America..."
See what I mean? |
| | 2008年 6月 27日 12:22 |
| | You're quite right Lilian - I mean those "O"'s ("that"'s) CAN mean he/she is (a bit) angry to the English (perhaps because its difficult for him/her) and to America (perhaps because its the plase where he/she will be miss the person he/she is writing to.) So perhaps the 1st translation (before being edited; I actually havent seen it) CAN be correct? Maybe "O"'s sound softer than "that"'s - not as strong as "damned" or "infernal" - but still there CAN BE (and can be no) a hint of irritation. |