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Derdimi seviyorum.. Biliyorum ki derdimi veren...
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Derdimi seviyorum.. Biliyorum ki derdimi veren de beni seviyor.. Seven, sevdiğinin nazını ölçüyor.. Sevilen çekmesin de neylesin?
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I love my sorrow... I know the one causing my sorrow loves me too... The one in love measures the coquettishness of the beloved ... What is the beloved to do but give in?

Rumi
Nakoniec potvrdené alebo vydané kafetzou - 5 januára 2012 18:38





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2 januára 2012 22:54

kafetzou
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What does "birinin nazını çekmek" mean?

2 januára 2012 22:55

Mesud2991
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pander to one's whim?

3 januára 2012 01:00

kafetzou
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We don't really use the verb "pander to", except in the case of a politician or an advertiser pandering to the whims of the people. It has a negative connotation. Does the Turkish phrase have this connotation too?

3 januára 2012 15:09

Mesud2991
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Let me put it this way, "naz" is a behaviour exhibited by generally girls in order to make boys begged by acting unwillingly. It hasn't a negative connotation as long as it's not taken to extremes. There is an idiom expressing this idea; "Fazla naz aşık usandırır".

3 januára 2012 19:37

kafetzou
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OK; now I'm really confused - that sounds like flirting to me, or in old-fashioned English coquettishness. Why did you translate that as "whim"?

So the one in love measures how much the beloved is firting with him???

[NOTE: Flirting in English is VERY different from flört etmek in Turkish, unless the meaning has changed since I lived in Turkey - in English it is exactly what you described in your last post above.]

3 januára 2012 19:59

Mesud2991
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OK then.

The one in love measures how much the beloved is firting with him.

3 januára 2012 20:07

kafetzou
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Is it correct now? I've made a few changes - I used "coquettishness" because if it was written by Rumi it can be a bit old fashioned.

3 januára 2012 20:13

Mesud2991
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Like I said, I'm not sure what the "çekmek" exactly means. Most probably, it should be "naza çekmek"?

3 januára 2012 20:20

Mesud2991
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Yeah, I think "naza çekmek" is more meaningful than "acı çekmek".

4 januára 2012 13:59

Mesud2991
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I think the last sentence should be “What is the beloved to do but play hard to get?"

5 januára 2012 06:18

kafetzou
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I changed it again. It's still not "play hard to get" but it's a little closer, I think. What do you think?

5 januára 2012 10:50

Mesud2991
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Ellerine sağlık, güzel bir çeviri oldu.

5 januára 2012 18:39

kafetzou
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Sağol - yine beraber çözdük.

5 januára 2012 23:46

merdogan
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naz çekmek ...> to accept coyness
What should the beloved one do instead of accepting coyness ?

6 januára 2012 04:00

kafetzou
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But isn't it the beloved who is being coy here?

6 januára 2012 09:26

merdogan
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Yes s/h is.

I suppose Lein 3 is " Sevilenİ çekmesinde..." or "Seven çekmesinde...."
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What should the lover one do instead of accepting (his/her)coyness ?

6 januára 2012 17:00

Mesud2991
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Sevilen (naza) çekmesinde neylesin? (kendisini naza çekmek)

What you are saying is "seven, sevdiğinin nazını çekmesin de neylesin?". The subject is not "the lover".

6 januára 2012 17:50

merdogan
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Yes I know them but I thougt "the lover" is better.

6 januára 2012 23:32

kafetzou
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Siz karar verdikten sonra düzeltirim gerekirse.

7 januára 2012 09:33

Mesud2991
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I beg to differ.
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