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Traducció - Castellà-Anglès - Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez,...

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Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez,...
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Idioma orígen: Castellà

Lo qual como oyese el noble conde llamado Gómez, el qual en aquella saçón morava en Burgos con la reina.
Notes sobre la traducció
Texto de las crónicas anónimas de sahagún. --> español medieval. me interesa sobre todo la posible traduccion de la palabra "saçón".

Títol
That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez
Traducció
Anglès

Traduït per goncin
Idioma destí: Anglès

That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez, who, at that time, was living at Burgos with the queen.
Notes sobre la traducció
"Saçón" seems to be the old spelling of the word "sazón", which means "season" (a period of time).
Darrera validació o edició per dramati - 9 Febrer 2008 19:32





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8 Febrer 2008 09:29

dramati
Nombre de missatges: 972
This is missing the "subject" in the translation. For instance: That ( ) it is said.

What was said? Right now a native English speaker would have no idea what you are talking about.

8 Febrer 2008 10:02

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
dramati,

This sentence sounds weird in Spanish. It seems to be a subordinated phrase, whose main one is lacking. It is why it begins with "Lo cual" [translated into "That" ou even "Who"].

8 Febrer 2008 10:51

dramati
Nombre de missatges: 972
So, is t here someting you can do to fix it up? It is hard to understand what is going on in English.

8 Febrer 2008 10:58

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
Is it understandable now, as I edited?

8 Febrer 2008 11:03

dramati
Nombre de missatges: 972
Yes. A bit archaic but certainly understandable.

8 Febrer 2008 11:06

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
If it works this way, it's fine, because the comments say the Spanish is also archaic (mediaeval to be exact)!

8 Febrer 2008 13:42

lilian canale
Nombre de missatges: 14972
"como oyese" = as had heard
"morava" would keep the meaning if translated as" was living" and I guess, it would sound better in English.

"That [is], as had heard the noble count named Gómez, who, at that time, was living in Burgos with the queen."

8 Febrer 2008 15:16

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
Lilian,

Your suggestion about "was living" is OK.

As for "como oyese" -> "as had heard", I'm not sure. If I understood it well, "como oyese" should be translated in a manner like we in Portuguese say "como dizem (ou como se ouve) [por aí]". What would be the subject of "as had heard"?

8 Febrer 2008 16:58

lilian canale
Nombre de missatges: 14972
...the noble count named Gómez is the subject, Goncin. He is the one who had heard "something" that was probably mentioned earlier in the text.

"as it is said" would have been "como dicen".

oyese = subjuntivo imperfeito (oyese / oyera). Do verbo oir (ouvir).
In Portuguese : como ouvira (teria ouvido) o nobre conde....
So, the best option in English is: as had heard the noble.....

Agree?

8 Febrer 2008 17:04

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
Well, I should confess I was seeing the things by other side. In my mind, oyese was the verb oye (3rd person singular, present tense) plus the pronoun se.

I'll change it. Thanks!

8 Febrer 2008 17:06

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
David, I think the poll should be reset now. There were too many changes.

8 Febrer 2008 17:14

lilian canale
Nombre de missatges: 14972

Goncin:

nothing better than a fine explanation to change our minds!
But let me tell you something...oye is not the verb, it is the simple present 3rd. person of the verb.
It is an irregular verb in Spanish, like "ouvir" is in Portuguese. Hard to understand when you are not a native.
Your guess was wrong, but for the rest, you've done a great translation.

about "saçon" you're right. It refers to an expression (old as well) "a la sazón" which means: en esa época (at that time).


8 Febrer 2008 17:30

goncin
Nombre de missatges: 3706
María17,

La traducción es del español al inglés, y no al sentido contrario.

CC: María17

8 Febrer 2008 17:37

María17
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oooooppppssss... ¡Que pena!

¡¡¡Gracias Goncin!!!

8 Febrer 2008 20:34

lilutz
Nombre de missatges: 63
Doesn't the preposition in suit better? "living in Burgos"

Actually I'm just asking, because prepositions are always the hardest part for me!