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Traduction - Suédois-Anglais - En anteckning i en jordebok bok frÃ¥n Ã¥r 1742

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Titre
En anteckning i en jordebok bok från år 1742
Texte
Proposé par mikalaari
Langue de départ: Suédois

Under Officerare Doskälle, har varit vid armen hemmanet under den tiden legat öde uptages nu af samma fäldtväfvare som erhållit af skind till uphielpande förunnes 2. Åhrs frihet.
Commentaires pour la traduction
This is a comment in the 1742 landbook (jordebok) of the actual southeastern Finland. The original text might have some errors (like missing dieresis) and the same goes for my transcription.

If you want to see the original handwritten version you can open the following link and look at the rightmost column of the last row. http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=13043355

Titre
A note in the 1742 landbook (jordebok)
Traduction
Anglais

Traduit par saip
Langue d'arrivée: Anglais

NCO Doskälle has been in the army. The estate was deserted during that time and is now taken back by the same sergeant who has now retired. As aid he is granted 2 years of liberty.
Commentaires pour la traduction
NCO // Non-commissioned officer

I translated 'fäldtväfvare' as 'sergeant'. According to wikipedia it was a grade in the Swedish army before 1833 - for the Company's oldest commissioned officer.
Dernière édition ou validation par Lein - 23 Avril 2013 16:33





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14 Mars 2013 19:20

mikalaari
Nombre de messages: 28
I realised that I have omitted two commas in the transcription. Ill put the whole text with commas here as it is rather short:

"Under Officerare Doskälle, har varit vid armen hemmanet under den tiden legat öde, uptages nu af samma fäldtväfvare som erhållit af skind, till uphielpande förunnes 2. Åhrs frihet."

It could help in dividing the tect in sentences, although at least the first comma seems to be in the middle of one.

14 Mars 2013 19:30

mikalaari
Nombre de messages: 28
Thanks for the translation, saip. I have a question though. How did you come up with the phrase "skin granted", as the corresponding words skind and förunnes are quite far away one from another? (At least if I got it right.)

15 Mars 2013 00:25

saip
Nombre de messages: 13
You are welcome, mikalaari.

As you told, there are many errors in the source text (no commas or full stop) so I could only interpret it this way.

15 Mars 2013 09:00

saip
Nombre de messages: 13
I forgot to say - tried to read the handwritten note in your link yesterday, but failed - you have good eyes, well done!

If you think that the translation is wrong, please reject it and hopefully another member will find a better interpretation.

15 Mars 2013 09:44

Lein
Nombre de messages: 3389
In any case the English looks fine. I will set a poll (I am one of the English experts on this site but my Swedish is not good enough to judge if the translation is accurate). Hopefully some other Swedish speakers will give their opinions too

15 Mars 2013 16:36

mikalaari
Nombre de messages: 28
(For saip After deciphering 18th century handwriting for several weeks now, I've become quite good at it––fortunately. :-) I really can't tell if the translation is wrong, but the final part does look suspicious. I think I'll ask for another opinion since you suggested that.

Anyway your translation confirmed the much that I could understand with my rather poor skills and Google's translator. The biggest headache I got from "af skind" and "uphielpande". And it didn't occur to me that feldtväfvare is another way to say fältväbel––I thought it means "field weaver". :-)

Thanks for the proofreading, Lein, and compliments to saip!

17 Mars 2013 09:24

saip
Nombre de messages: 13
mikalaari,

first thought that crossed my mind was also that little bird, but obviously it couldnt be! =D

I think a literal translation of 'som erhållit af skind till uphielpande' would probably be: 'that has received skin in support'. Tricky text, old vocabulary, no punctuation, old beautiful handwritting..

18 Mars 2013 12:16

Lein
Nombre de messages: 3389
Hello Swedish experts

We would like some more opinions; could you help please? Thanks!

CC: lenab Piagabriella

18 Mars 2013 17:47

lenab
Nombre de messages: 1084
I think the word should be "afsked.". That is he has been sent home from the army.
In the next sentence we learn that he will be granted 2 years of "freedom". Probably free to get the place back in shape, or something.

18 Mars 2013 18:20

saip
Nombre de messages: 13
That makes sense! 'Afsked' is probably correct Word.

18 Mars 2013 19:47

Lein
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Would that make the translation 'who has been sent home for 2 years of freedom'?

19 Mars 2013 11:48

lenab
Nombre de messages: 1084
I would say: .......sent home. To aid him he's granted 2 years of freedom. or something.

19 Mars 2013 22:25

lenab
Nombre de messages: 1084
I also think it's the same person who retakes the property, so I think it should say .."is taken back by.." not "is taken over by.."

20 Mars 2013 09:19

Lein
Nombre de messages: 3389
Hi saip

If you agree with lenab's suggestions, I will edit the translation. Could you leave a message to let me know? Thanks!

20 Mars 2013 09:39

saip
Nombre de messages: 13
Fine with me Lein, but I really think it's the requester you need to ask that question!! Lena's suggestions will change the original request and it's meaning a lot.

24 Mars 2013 11:34

lenab
Nombre de messages: 1084
The only thing that is changed is the word "afsked" Which ends the sentence. "Till upphjälpande förunnas 2 års frihet." Will be the final sentence.
I would have put it:
NCO Doskälle has been in the army. The homestead, that during this time has been uninhabited, is now taken (back)by the same officer who has now retired. As aid he is granted 2 years of liberty.

I've been studying the "original text"

24 Mars 2013 16:05

saip
Nombre de messages: 13
I still think one small word and different punctuation can make a big difference, for the better here. : )