Nakala asilia - Kiingereza - S furnace and an apparatus for manufacturing a...

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Nakala hii inapatikana katika lugha zifuatazo: Kiingereza

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Category Sentence - Science

Ombi hili la tafsiri ni "Maana peke yake".

Kichwa	S furnace and an apparatus for manufacturing a...
Nakala ya kutafsiriwa Tafsiri iliombwa na ramarren	Lugha ya kimaumbile: Kiingereza Smelting furnace and a device for producing a molten iron including the same.
Maelezo kwa mfasiri	English speakers are welcome :o) Please help to clear what "including the same" means in this context. It is the title of an article. Does "including the same" means that this device includes molten iron, or that the device includes the same that this furnace, or something else?

1 Juni 2010 09:59

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		1 Juni 2010 09:47
	ramarren Idadi ya ujumbe: 291	Please look here CC: lilian canale kafetzou IanMegill2 Tantine
		1 Juni 2010 17:42
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	I can't figure this out without more context. It's not clear what "the same" refers to. There seems to be more in the title to the translation request, but I don't understand the connection. Do you have the description of the device? It should be clearer there.
		2 Juni 2010 03:50
	IanMegill2 Idadi ya ujumbe: 1671	well, for one thing, the ...a molten iron... suggests to me there might be a lacuna here The text as is (minus the "a" above) would mean to me: "A smelting furnace, and a device for producing molten iron, including the smelting furnace" (which would mean the "device" includes the smelting furnace) Problem with this is, the image we have of a "device" in English is usually smaller than a "furnace": it'd have to be a "production line" or something, in order to "include the smelting furnace" within it... --- To be honest, if it's the actual "title of an article," I suspect a non-native speaker used machine translation to put his original title into "English" for publication purposes. Happens all the time here in Japan...
		2 Juni 2010 03:57
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	What's a lacuna, Ian?
		2 Juni 2010 05:52
	IanMegill2 Idadi ya ujumbe: 1671	A missing part (of a text)?
		2 Juni 2010 07:52
	ramarren Idadi ya ujumbe: 291	Here is a part of the article, hope it will help to reveal something else: "This work describes smelting furnace including a charging mechanism that is capable of preventing segregation and a device for manufacturing molten iron including the same."
		2 Juni 2010 08:06
	IanMegill2 Idadi ya ujumbe: 1671	Well, please throw my assumption above out the window... "including the same" = including the same charging mechanism... Lacuna!
		2 Juni 2010 08:11
	ramarren Idadi ya ujumbe: 291	IanMegill2 That lacuna was in the title. The title is wrong then... or unclear...
		2 Juni 2010 11:10
	IanMegill2 Idadi ya ujumbe: 1671	Yup.
		3 Juni 2010 12:48
	ramarren Idadi ya ujumbe: 291	Administrators, please, close the issue...
		3 Juni 2010 17:16
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	Yes - it's clear now.