Umseting - Turkiskt-Enskt - mahkumların bacaklarına takılan demir halka

Hi merdogan,

What about "attached" instead if "shackled"?

hi lilian

I thing " to attach" means to add someting to something ,exp to attach a note to a letter.
"to shackle" means "to tie up".
a heavy iron chain has to be shackled not attached.

Hi again merdogan,

Well the problem here is about the structure of the sentence. If you want to use "shackle" as a verb, I think we should turn the sentence :

"a heavy iron chain shackled to a prisoner's ankle with a ring" into:

"the prisoner (was) shackled at his ankle, with a ring and a heavy iron chain."

Is that too far from the Turkish text?

Hi lilian

the Turkish text is asking about the name of this tool equipment.
in turkish it is "shackles = Pranga".

You mean a definition for "shackles"?
somethinbg like:

" a pair of rings connected by a heavy iron chain used to fasten a prisoner's ankles ".

Yes it is.
but "demir halka" is not plural.
I don't know to use " a pair of rings" is O.k.
and it will be good to use "shackled" instate of "connected"

Hi, FIGEN KIRCI

Perhaps you can help us here.

What does the Turkish text exactly say?

CC: FIGEN KIRCI

hi lilian
I want to help, but I'm afraid my expression in english is not enough
so, please arrange it
it say:
‘the iron bangle that’s hanging to the prisoner’s feet/ankles’.
the tekst is a kind of riddle and discribe
(or asks about) 'a gyve'/'a shackle'.

Merdogan, let's see if we reach an agreement here

The verb "to shackle" as you intend to use it, means "restrain, limit, chain with shackles"
There is the noun "shackels" that is apparently what the text describes.
it's like if in a game someone asks:

- What's the name of the heavy iron chain with a ring that is hanging from (fastened to) a prisoner's ankles?
(and the answer would be...)
- That's called "shackles"

Did I get it right?

exactly right, lilian

Excuse me, but there isn't the word of "chain" but only "iron ring" in the orijinal text.

cesur_civciv you are right but every shackles ( pranga) has to have a chain.

You are right,too. lilian

"железное кольцо" переведено как "тяжелая железная цепь"

please don't forget that this translation request is "meaning only"

may I interfere:-) BACAKLAR means LEGS, not ANKLES or FEET. of course its hard to imagine prisoner's legs with shackles so isn't there a mistake in the original text? I'd expect it to be "mahkumların AYAK BİLEKLERİNE takılan demir halka.

I'm sorry but I think it's too explanatory than the orijinal text. And it seems that "chain" is emphasized instead of "ring".

I'm afraid that's just it sevgili Civciv, - more of EXPLANATÄ°ON than TRANSLATÄ°NG. And I believe we must translate BACAKLAR as LEGS even though shackles are certaily fastened to ankles, not to legs.

source speaks only of
'an iron ring fastened to a prisoner's legs'
'a shackle'

I think all your remarks are important, however we should consider:
1- the translation is "meaning only"
2- It seems to be clear that the ankles is where the shackles are fastened to the legs.
3- the translation was accepted because the positive votes at the poll were overwhelming.

Therefore, I don't think we have much to discuss about. The translation is perfectly acceptable and conveys the meaning in the original text.

Thank you all, and let's move on!