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Ave verum corpus natum de Maria Virgine

Vere passum, immolatum in cruce pro homine

Cuius latus perforatum unda fluxit et sanguine

Esto nobis praegustatum mortis in examine
2 Lokakuu 2009 15:46





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2 Lokakuu 2009 16:18

lilian canale
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Hi Aneta, I think the 3rd line should read:
"Cuius latus perforatum fluxit aqua et sanguine"

and there should be a last line which completes the poem:
"O Iesu dulcis, o Iesu pie, o Iesu fili Mariae."

Am I right?



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2 Lokakuu 2009 16:23

Aneta B.
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"unda" and "aqua" are synonyms, so I think both are correct

2 Lokakuu 2009 16:25

lilian canale
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Oh, thanks, dear. I think I should refresh my Latin a bit

I'll try the translation then

2 Lokakuu 2009 16:27

Aneta B.
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Try, Lilly, you are very skillful person. Good luck!

2 Lokakuu 2009 16:42

lilian canale
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I did
Would you check the bridge?

"Hail, oh true body born from the Virgin Mary

Who suffered and was immolated on the cross by the man

From his pierced side flew water and blood

Be for us, remedy at the terrible time of death"

2 Lokakuu 2009 17:43

lilian canale
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Aneta?

2 Lokakuu 2009 17:50

Aneta B.
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Sorry, I was messaging with some friends. I will chech in a minute. Please wait a moment.

2 Lokakuu 2009 18:16

Aneta B.
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Great translation, Lilly!

Only tiny things:

Vere passum = (was)streched indeed

praegustatum? I wouldn't translate it "remedy". It is a participle from "praegusto, are" and I think the author says here about "eating body of Christ" - about Eucharisty (?) I don't know how you call it in English...

2 Lokakuu 2009 18:52

lilian canale
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Humm...

"Who was stretched and immolated..."?

'wafer' instead of 'remedy'?

2 Lokakuu 2009 18:59

Aneta B.
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the body of Christ was streched and immolated - the body of a son of Maria, from the first line...

yes "wafer" but it would be literal too much, you should use some methaphor.And it is not a noun but participle which can be translated as a verb too. For example, we (Polish people) call the process "accepting body of Christ"...? And it is about the process before the death. Am I clear now, dear Lilly?

2 Lokakuu 2009 19:11

lilian canale
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Hail, oh true body born from the Virgin Mary

Stretched and immolated on the cross by the man

From his pierced side flew water and blood

Be for us, the communion at the terrible time of death


What about that?

2 Lokakuu 2009 19:15

Aneta B.
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Wow! You used the noun and it is still acceptable! You are great, Lilly. I thought about a verb here, but anyway your English translation is perfect now!

2 Lokakuu 2009 19:18

Aneta B.
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Oh sorry, not "by the man", but "for man(kind)", I haven't noticed before...