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翻译 - 世界语-英语 - Por studi la ceremoniojn ni komencis studi unue...

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Por studi la ceremoniojn ni komencis studi unue...
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Por studi la ceremoniojn ni komencis studi unue la antikva penso de Irananoj kaj ilia geografia kaj natura stato, ĝis eble oni povus uzi ilin.

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In order to study the ceremonies
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In order to study the ceremonies, first we began studying Iranians' ancient thinking and their geography and natural state, to the point where one could use the studies.
kafetzou认可或编辑 - 2008年 四月 5日 07:07





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2008年 三月 19日 16:56

kafetzou
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at first --> first

2008年 三月 19日 17:10

goncin
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2008年 三月 19日 17:23

kafetzou
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Good. What does "them" refer to - the ceremonies or the Iranians? I don't understand that part.

2008年 三月 19日 17:32

goncin
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Neither - "them" is intended to refer to "Iranians' ancient thinking and their geography and natural state". Would "to the point one may use these" solve that ambiguity (which comes from the source text)?

2008年 三月 23日 18:57

kafetzou
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Sorry - it still doesn't make sense in English - what is "to the point"? Do you mean "until" or "so that"?

Also, it should be "began", not "have begun".

2008年 三月 23日 22:48

goncin
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Is it correct now?

2008年 三月 24日 01:23

kafetzou
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I'm not sure. I don't understand what "until one may use them" means - does it mean that that is when we will stop studying them? Can you translate "ĝis eble oni povus uzi ilin" word for word (including cases and persons) for me?

2008年 三月 24日 10:58

goncin
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Well... here it goes:

ĝis = until
eble = maybe
oni = one (undefinite subject)
povus = to be able to (conditional mood)
uzi = to use (infinitive)
ilin = them (3rd person plural, accusative case)

(I don't think it helps that much, though... )

2008年 三月 24日 17:10

kafetzou
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Wow - thanks, goncin, but as you say, it doesn't really solve the problem.

Do you think it means something like "to the point where the studies were usable (by other people)"?

2008年 三月 24日 17:11

goncin
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Yep. It's what I wanted to mean when I first wrote "to the point one could use them"...

2008年 三月 24日 17:18

kafetzou
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OK - I edited with that and have put a note below. I'll put this one to a vote.

2008年 三月 24日 17:20

kafetzou
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Sorry - on re-read, this just doesn't work, because the word "studies" doesn't appear in the English, so the English reader assumes that some other plural noun is the referent. I will re-edit.

2008年 三月 24日 17:40

goncin
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I'm trying to help alireza with these texts in Esperanto, but the texts in Esperanto simply don't help me... stevo (another Esperanto expert) has done one of these texts, not more successful than me...