Tafsiri - Kiesperanto-Kiingereza - Por studi la ceremoniojn ni komencis studi unue...

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Kichwa	Por studi la ceremoniojn ni komencis studi unue...
Nakala Tafsiri iliombwa na alireza	Lugha ya kimaumbile: Kiesperanto Por studi la ceremoniojn ni komencis studi unue la antikva penso de Irananoj kaj ilia geografia kaj natura stato, Äis eble oni povus uzi ilin.

Kichwa	In order to study the ceremonies
Tafsiri Kiingereza Ilitafsiriwa na goncin	Lugha inayolengwa: Kiingereza In order to study the ceremonies, first we began studying Iranians' ancient thinking and their geography and natural state, to the point where one could use the studies.

Ilisahihishwa au kuhaririwa mwisho na kafetzou - 5 Aprili 2008 07:07

Ujumbe wa hivi karibuni

	Mwandishi	Ujumbe
		19 Mechi 2008 16:56
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	at first --> first
		19 Mechi 2008 17:10
	goncin Idadi ya ujumbe: 3706
		19 Mechi 2008 17:23
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	Good. What does "them" refer to - the ceremonies or the Iranians? I don't understand that part.
		19 Mechi 2008 17:32
	goncin Idadi ya ujumbe: 3706	Neither - "them" is intended to refer to "Iranians' ancient thinking and their geography and natural state". Would "to the point one may use these" solve that ambiguity (which comes from the source text)?
		23 Mechi 2008 18:57
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	Sorry - it still doesn't make sense in English - what is "to the point"? Do you mean "until" or "so that"? Also, it should be "began", not "have begun".
		23 Mechi 2008 22:48
	goncin Idadi ya ujumbe: 3706	Is it correct now?
		24 Mechi 2008 01:23
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	I'm not sure. I don't understand what "until one may use them" means - does it mean that that is when we will stop studying them? Can you translate "Äis eble oni povus uzi ilin" word for word (including cases and persons) for me?
		24 Mechi 2008 10:58
	goncin Idadi ya ujumbe: 3706	Well... here it goes: Äis = until eble = maybe oni = one (undefinite subject) povus = to be able to (conditional mood) uzi = to use (infinitive) ilin = them (3rd person plural, accusative case) (I don't think it helps that much, though... )
		24 Mechi 2008 17:10
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	Wow - thanks, goncin, but as you say, it doesn't really solve the problem. Do you think it means something like "to the point where the studies were usable (by other people)"?
		24 Mechi 2008 17:11
	goncin Idadi ya ujumbe: 3706	Yep. It's what I wanted to mean when I first wrote "to the point one could use them"...
		24 Mechi 2008 17:18
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	OK - I edited with that and have put a note below. I'll put this one to a vote.
		24 Mechi 2008 17:20
	kafetzou Idadi ya ujumbe: 7963	Sorry - on re-read, this just doesn't work, because the word "studies" doesn't appear in the English, so the English reader assumes that some other plural noun is the referent. I will re-edit.
		24 Mechi 2008 17:40
	goncin Idadi ya ujumbe: 3706	I'm trying to help alireza with these texts in Esperanto, but the texts in Esperanto simply don't help me... stevo (another Esperanto expert) has done one of these texts, not more successful than me...