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| | 10 Maio 2007 17:23 |
| iriniNúmero de Mensagens: 849 | Îα Ïωτήσω, μήπως Ï€ÏÎπει να Ï€ÏοσθÎσουμε και το "γνώθι σαυτόν" ως μετάφÏαση του "Conhece A Ti Mesmo"; |
| | 10 Maio 2007 17:29 |
| | ΜποÏεί, αλλά δεν πιστεÏω να είναι τίποτα το γνώστό εδώ. Και είναι Ïήμα - δεν είναι ουσιαστικό. It's "Know yourself", not "self-knowledge". |
| | 10 Maio 2007 19:05 |
| iriniNúmero de Mensagens: 849 | α) το γνώθι σαυτόν (gnothi seauton) είναι νομίζω αÏκετά γνωστό σε όλον τον κόσμο.
β) μα το γνώθι σαυτόν δεν είναι ουσιαστικό Σημαίνει να ξÎÏεις τον ίδιο τον εαυτό σου. |
| | 10 Maio 2007 20:12 |
| | Nossa, eu agradeço a preocupação, sério de verdade, quanto ao meu pedido, mas eu não falo grego, então eu não entendi...só entendi que há uma discordância...Por favor, será que tem como me explicar?
Valeu, muito obrigado... |
| | 10 Maio 2007 22:39 |
| | The question was whether to use an older, but very well known expression for "Know thyself". I now agree with irini that we should do that, so I changed my translation to the one she suggested. |
| | 10 Maio 2007 23:07 |
| | Kafetzou, why not ελεÏθεÏο πνεÏμα (free spirit)?
ΕλεÏθεÏη ψυχή is just "free soul".
( Γνώθι σ’αυτόν or γνώθι σαυτόν is ok! ) |
| | 11 Maio 2007 01:04 |
| iriniNúmero de Mensagens: 849 | Nope! In ancient Greek it would be γνῶθι σαὑτόν and in modern γνώθι σαυτόν (or γνῶθισεαυτόν /γνώθι σεαυτόν).
I agree about the free spirit though. As a verbatim translation mind you; I don't really speak Spanish. |
| | 11 Maio 2007 01:42 |
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| | 11 Maio 2007 01:56 |
| | They are both philosophical sayings:
the first one is from Nietzsche, referring to the humanists (de- freie Geister).
the second one is the maxim of Socrates. |
| | 11 Maio 2007 03:02 |
| | conhece(-te) a ti mesmo
γνώθι σαυτόν
know yourself
nosce te ipsum
conócete a ti mismo
espÃrito livre
ελεÏθεÏο πνεÏμα
free spirit
liber spiritus, animus liber
espÃritu libre
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| | 11 Maio 2007 03:04 |
| iriniNúmero de Mensagens: 849 | caspertavernello lol! Sorry I was reading the Spanish wikipedia and I made a mistake. I meant that I don't really speak Portuguese so when it comes to expressions I cannot speak with any authority. |
| | 11 Maio 2007 05:30 |
| | OK; it's changed now. irini, you really should've rejected my translation!
pirulito, how did you do that cool thing with the flag buttons? |