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Ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν
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Biblia sintactica, J 10,30. Potrzebuję dosłownego tłumaczenia (jeśli się da) aby sprawdzić sens wypowiedzi.

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John 10:30
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I and the Father are one.
lilian canale认可或编辑 - 2009年 九月 29日 13:43





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2009年 九月 27日 17:40

Aneta B.
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εϲμεν??
There isn't "c" in Ancient Greek!
This is John, 10, 30:
"Ego kaj ho pater hen esmen"... (εγω και ο πατηρ εν εσμεν- without diacritics, but I can put them if it is needed)

2009年 九月 27日 16:08

forest
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I have taken it from Codex Sinaiticus
http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=36&chapter=10&lid=en&side=r&verse=30&zoomSlider=0

I'm curious also why manuscript contains a lot of "C" chars. Looks like C is greek σ. Anyway what does "en esmen" means ? Equality ("the same" or unity ("the one" ?

2009年 九月 27日 17:23

Aneta B.
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no standby because I ask only to correct the source...

2009年 九月 27日 17:31

Aneta B.
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"esmen" = (we) are, forest
In Internet there are a lot of mistakes, so don't follow it...

2009年 九月 27日 17:33

lilian canale
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Aneta, could you post how the original should read so that we can edit/correct?

2009年 九月 27日 17:36

Aneta B.
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Yes, of course. Give me a while, ok? Putting diacritics isn't easy with my poor tools

2009年 九月 27日 17:45

Aneta B.
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ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν

but I’d put a capital letter at the beginning of the sentence (like it is in the original Ancient Greek Bible), so it should be:

Ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν


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2009年 九月 27日 17:52

Aneta B.
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I would correct also the English translation a bit.

Traditional translation of these words sounds:
My Father and I are one

2009年 九月 27日 18:05

User10
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Actually "C" is the form of "σ" which was used during the Byzantine Times. It is also used in Orthodox Christian icons (e.g.IHCOΥC XΡΙCTOC).Forest,it seems that your source (or the specific edition) is written according to the Medieval Greek writing style.

Aneta B. could you please tell me how do we put Ancient Greek diacritics?

2009年 九月 27日 18:16

Aneta B.
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Wow! I didn't know this Byzantine Ancient Greek. But, the Bible was written in previous times, so I prefer classical version... I don't know how the sentence should be changed if we want to type it in the Byzantine Ancient Greek, for example what diacritics we should put in this case...So I would choose the classical version, which I proposed above.
Diacritics you can find here:
Edittools



2009年 九月 27日 18:18

User10
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I used the American Standart Version (also in English Revised Version).

2009年 九月 27日 18:21

User10
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I agree we should use the classical version.
Thank you!

2009年 九月 27日 18:23

Aneta B.
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ok. You're welcome. I like to be helpful!

A propos the tool. You must use it by simple "copy&paste" way. I didn't find any better tool since now yet. But, if you find sth, please, tell me about it too, ok?

2009年 九月 27日 18:53

lilian canale
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Original edited!
Thanks, Aneta

2009年 九月 27日 19:04

Aneta B.
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2009年 九月 27日 20:06

forest
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"My Father and I are one"

I would like to ask if this is the only possible translation (the meaning).?

2009年 九月 27日 20:08

Aneta B.
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USER10 used "American Standart Version" in his translation, so it seems that both are correct, forest.